"To Improve PvP game balance, the ability Cleric Stance will no longer be usable"

[Klive]

Plenty to be perfectly honest. Yet to see a group without one... but I'm one limited data point on this matter.

[Sanghelios]

I think there are way less healers in frontlines since the patch and i was already forced to solo heal a lot of frontline-games. And i think i dont need to tell you, that one healer isnt enough for group of randoms.

[Adrian74]

Thanks for sharing, I guess I'll take a look around to how's the scenario now, with some other class, of course, maybe throwing a dice and choosing the non healer classes randomely... Or just going with monk the first because like it.

I'm in Zodiark so I'll see what's going on in [*insert Zodiark's data center name here*] data center.

[Geologo]

I did few frontlienes in these days but, yes there was a lack of healer, and to be honest It's my fault too,
with this nerf I find the healer that only heal role really boring, so I try to enter BLM, but a lot of time I had to switch healer anyway because of no-healer in my party.
And in my opinion now (atleast for healers) frontline started to become similar to Wolves' Den when your main job in most of cases is "run as fast as u can and don't die"

Edit: Chaos Data center (Ragnarok server)

[Liselsia]

Also On Aether and no real problem. Half my matches had teams with 4+ healers on it. Same of usual. Cant say I notice any chance on consistency of healers.

The claim that we see less healers actually contradict earlier rhetoric. People where defending Cleric Stance saying it was a high skill cap spell that only 5-10% of healers can use properly. My question is if only 5-10% bothered to use/learn cleric stance, why are people expecting 50-80% of Healers to suddenly leave FL ?

[Buff_Archer]

Scholar is the only class where two important cross class traits from PVE are now of little to no use in PVP. Protect only serves as a buffer against skills that remove beneficial statuses so they don't first remove one that isn't disregarded by the system, but it was worth keeping in my list of five cross class traits when you also account for the nuisance of swapping out cross class skills and getting a cool-down timer when between PVP and other things. But now another one has been rendered useless. If you were a caster who had to swap out raging strikes with something else because your class couldn't use it anymore in Frontlines, would you not find that to be an inconvenience? Or a DoW class who could no longer use Invigorate or Second Wind. I'm not drawing a correlation between the effects of Cleric Stance vs these skills, other than saying they're vital PVE cross class skills such that if you had to either swap them out and back again for one type of content (or leave them and be less effective where they are disabled) you might decide it's not worth the hassle. ESPECIALLY if you're drawing parties that chase off their own targets and leave 5 enemies on you while you're supposed to be capturing or holding an objective.

[Adrian74]

Tried PvP with my scholar again. slow, boring, plain...

Needed to do few dungeons in PvE for recovering SCH's steem.

[Fyce]

Equip INT gear.

[Hailie]

Equip INT gear.

Ya...if Healers were doing so much DMG wearing ViT for HP + Cleric... what do you think is going to happen when they start wearing all INT? possibly may even do more dmg then before?
which will give ppl more reason to complain. Healers are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I think I will test it out today.

[Fyce]

What I'll say only apply to SCH. It can be used on a WHM, but with weaker results.

You just need to switch to INT accessories. It will bump your INT a bit while reducing your VIT and MIND, but doing this will grand you a more "decent" damage output. You obviously won't be able to reach the previous amout of damage you were able to do as a SCH, when Cleric stance was available. It will just turn your role into a more offensive support, which is the role people here want to play. It's just not as effective as before.

Just remember to summon your fairy when wearing MIND gear, then switch to INT if you already have one or two healers (WHM preferably) in your group.
It will then be for you to decide if you want to loose some survivability and healing power in exchange of a better offensive power... You can see it as some kind of weaker Cleric stance that can be used only when out of combat.

... As for the WHM: don't even bother. Just play as a healer/CC role.