"To Improve PvP game balance, the ability Cleric Stance will no longer be usable"

[DenebPunkin]

It's really that easy

That only works if you are against 2 healers at most where you can burn the one fast enuff. The minute you go against a group of healers, which is pretty much standard among the better PVPers you lose. I have yet to see a Healer lose 1v1, 1v2 battle against non healers. Healers have way too much advantages over all the other classes.
If you want to balance it you either allow a modified CS that prevents them from healing entirely while the stance is active or reduce the healing potency even more. SE elected to remove it entirely. I also think that the DPS classes should be able to use MP to sprint to counter the TP using healer sprints. As it stands, DPS are entirely useless in PVP. They have too many disadvantages against the other classes to be viable... and most likely the ones complaining the most about PVP imbalance are the DPS players.

[YuriRamona]

That only works if you are against 2 healers at most where you can burn the one fast enuff. The minute you go against a group of healers, which is pretty much standard among the better PVPers you lose. I have yet to see a Healer lose 1v1, 1v2 battle against non healers. Healers have way too much advantages over all the other classes.
If you want to balance it you either allow a modified CS that prevents them from healing entirely while the stance is active or reduce the healing potency even more. SE elected to remove it entirely. I also think that the DPS classes should be able to use MP to sprint to counter the TP using healer sprints. As it stands, DPS are entirely useless in PVP. They have too many disadvantages against the other classes to be viable... and most likely the ones complaining the most about PVP imbalance are the DPS players.

A healer will always lose to a competent DPS in a 1v1 battle if they don't run away to safety. The only exception is if the DPS is a BLM. You just never see this happen because it takes probably between 30-60 seconds to burn down a healer, and they can usually run to safety in that time.

If you mean that you're dying to a WHM in a 1v1 situation, then you're just plain bad. If you're dying to a SCH in 1v1 situation, that's to be expected.

There are plenty of other matchups where one job will win against the other: BRD > MNK/DRG/PLD/MRD > SMN > BLM.

SCH gets to win 1v1 matchups. So what? They are complete crap in party healing and their DPS abilities are slightly below that of MRD/PLD.

The reason why SCH Cleric is so dominant in Frontlines is because a vast majority of parties don't have more than one WHM. Medica II and Regen nullify the effect of Baned DoTs.

Players also pick fights with SCH when they find them alone (stealing outposts or in transit, etc). They think they have an easy win because they're up against a healer. They lose and almost always die, and so they go to places like this and complain because a supposed "healer" is actually dangerous.

You don't see the rest of the world complaining that MRD has, bar none, the most potent sub-10 second burn abilities of all classes. And they're supposed to be a tank. Is that somehow also unfair?

Healers and tanks deal with enough crap in PvE, where DPS roles skate buy even if they're grossly incompetent at their job (excluding encounters such as Coil and extreme Primals). Can't we have a little damage-dealing fun when we're in PvP?

Congratulations FFXIV community, for taking away other people's fun just because you're having slightly less of it.

[DenebPunkin]

A healer will always lose to a competent DPS in a 1v1 battle if they don't run away to safety.

This is gold. If they dont run away to safety... because WHY should a healer run away to safety right.. I mean clearly they dont wanna win anymore. DPS have a skill to heavy and remove sprint, but a healer can just throw their Invisi Shield up and regain enuff TP to sprint away again. A competent DPS against a Competent Healer results in the healer coming out victorious more often then not. This means one class has a clear advantage over the other. If you play SF thats like saying a competent player using Dan should be on equal footing with a competent player using Akuma... when Akuma has a 7-10 chance/percentage of steamrolling the Dan user. Competence only comes into play when the two characters are balanced and one does not clearly outweigh the other.

[YuriRamona]

This is gold. If they dont run away to safety... because WHY should a healer run away to safety right.. I mean clearly they dont wanna win anymore. DPS have a skill to heavy and remove sprint, but a healer can just throw their Invisi Shield up and regain enuff TP to sprint away again. A competent DPS against a Competent Healer results in the healer coming out victorious more often then not. This means one class has a clear advantage over the other.

I'm having an incredibly difficult time understanding what you're saying.

I'm saying that if a healer doesn't run away, they will die.

You're saying that a healer will always try to run away. Yes, I agree. And yes, they are almost always successful in doing that.

I don't see your point. I don't think you have one.

Read the rest of my post. Imbalance is built into PvP roles. It's not a bad thing. If you don't want some roles to be better than other roles in various situations, then PvP might as well be level sync to 1 and everyone only gets to use auto-attack, because that'd be the only way to achieve true parity in roles.

Just because someone's a healer and you're a DPS doesn't mean it should be an auto-victory if you catch them solo.

Or you just suck at whm.

WHM has no tools to defeat anyone solo. What are they going to do, kite you to death while spamming Aero for a whopping 85 potency every 2.5 seconds?

Stuns/silence cut Equanimity's utility in half. Another well-placed stun/silence breaks Surecast. If the WHM magically manages to land 3 repose and 3 binds, that's 6 Stone IIs. Only the first Holy provides enough delay to cast a follow-up Stone II.

So yes, if the target does absolutely nothing to stop a WHM from casting, then they may just do enough damage to kill them.

[tehomegaking]

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case in point. You aren't going to roflstomp through a competent dps, but you have far more than enough tools to outlast a dps class, and thats what it comes down to if you are dumb enough to enter a 1 vs 1 against a whm.

Stuns/silence cut Equanimity's utility in half. Another well-placed stun/silence breaks Surecast.

If you throw out clutch skills like these without the safe prerequisites being met, then you are dumb and deserve to die.

A whm is designed to be able to survive 3 DPS in WD. They aren't going to die vs a lone DPS in a pure 1 on 1 situation when we have so much kiting ability through cc and sprint, DS'd hots, and not to mention los. Though we do gimped DPS, the DPS classes have no real means to overcome this damage and if you are dumb enough to stick around it will inevitably lead to your demise.

[tehomegaking]

If you mean that you're dying to a WHM in a 1v1 situation, then you're just plain bad.

Or you just suck at whm.

[Houston009]

A healer will always lose to a competent DPS in a 1v1 battle if they don't run away to safety. The only exception is if the DPS is a BLM. You just never see this happen because it takes probably between 30-60 seconds to burn down a healer, and they can usually run to safety in that time.

If you mean that you're dying to a WHM in a 1v1 situation, then you're just plain bad. If you're dying to a SCH in 1v1 situation, that's to be expected.

There are plenty of other matchups where one job will win against the other: BRD > MNK/DRG/PLD/MRD > SMN > BLM.

Not sure if saying BLM is incapable of killing a healer or if it takes a long time. I've blown up countless solo healers as a BLM(may it be WHM or SCH) in a matter of a few gcds.

Second, on my WHM I "was" capable of owning 2 dps/tank on my WHM by using CCs and the "environment" around me to my advantage(Thank you WD).

Third, I don't understand your priority list if it is that.

--Bard has the advantage over BLM/SMN (LoS'ing FTW!) & PLD
--DRG and MNK demolishes BRD, BLM, and SMN(SMN to an extent).
--Tanks wreck DRG and MNK
--SMN dances around PLD and WAR/MRD
--Compotent BLMs showed Healers who the real caster was.