Dungeons and ANGRY PEOPLE !

[Mugiawara]

dont play important role in a dungeon is my advice (no tank or healer) and if you dont see your hate on a boss then you gotta re think if it is your gear or your rotation is bad & fix it (usually it is bad rotation)

edit: I checked your character...gear update is need. your left side is ok ok, but your right side....are you lazy ? Now I can understand why ppl rage and angry at you

^ Well she's an example of what this whole topic is about. Way to go lol.

Also, every role is important...what?
Don't play Tanks and healers you mean? We're in desperate need of tanks and healers.
The DPS outweighs the others roles, hence why DPS wait 50 years for a que.

You could give OP some really nice advice, but right now you seem mean about it...so yeaah...

[Barboron]

dont play important role in a dungeon is my advice (no tank or healer) and if you dont see your hate on a boss then you gotta re think if it is your gear or your rotation is bad & fix it (usually it is bad rotation)

edit: I checked your character...gear update is need. your left side is ok ok, but your right side....are you lazy ? Now I can understand why ppl rage and angry at you

You seem to be over estimating the influence of accessories. They are insignificant compared to that of your left side and pale in comparison dramatically compared to that of your weapon.

As OP said, he hasn't been playing much longer than most and already it is clear that it is thoughts and expectations like this that lead to unnecessary aggression. I also chcked OP's character and it is quite sufficient for dungeon runs. However, I could see that due to OP wearing a spiritbonding ring that players may be lead to believe that OP is doing dungeon runs simply to spiritbond and not so much for progression.

[NyarukoW]

See this:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-cutscenes-AFK

Plenty of proof of experienced vets that should know better behaving badly, abusing vote kick.

More evidence:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-new-players
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=speed+runners
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ying-the-story
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...lesome-players
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-in-dungeons.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rming-service.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ened-in-Duty-!

And then you have experience players that like to dictate how other people should play:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Lazy-and-Bad.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rs-are-rising!

I'm sure there is more to be found, but the evidence is overwhelming that the "experienced player" is causing drama and issue and being mean to each other and to the newer players than anything else.

[Alipoprocks]

I think this thread is a perfect example of why it is detrimental to be able to level so quickly. I mean, I get that most MMO players have played lots of games by now and don't have the time or patience for leveling. But leveling should be a learning process. And I think that process is diminished by being able to level so quickly and effortlessly.

People are able to level so quickly that new players don't have time to even notice they are missing something and then get berated by other players for it.

For example, it would probably be a good idea for classes to stop advancing their level until they do the class/job quests. Because those quests, at least one of them anyway, forces you to level the cross class before you can advance your job quests.

[NyarukoW]

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People are able to level so quickly that new players don't have time to even notice they are missing something and then get berated by other players for it.

Leveling quick is not the problem. People being mean to other people that is the problem. Slowing down leveling won't help people learn group play any faster, actually it will make slower. And in the process if people were to berate others, they would be doing it there too. People behaving badly needs to be discouraged. The number of experienced player only increases over time and the choice/opportunity to be nice or mean to new player is going to be going to be in the hands of the experienced player 99% of the time, why is it so hard for the experienced player choose to be nice all the time?

[Mugiawara]

Leveling quick is not the problem. People being mean to other people that is the problem. Slowing down leveling won't help people learn group play any faster, actually it will make slower. And in the process if people were to berate others, they would be doing it there too. People behaving badly needs to be discouraged. The number of experienced player only increases over time and the choice/opportunity to be nice or mean to new player is going to be going to be in the hands of the experienced player 99% of the time, why is it so hard for the experienced player choose to be nice all the time?

Because some people suck, that's why. It's easy to be mean, especially thanks to DF.
To answer a question in a previous post, the reason why no one asks questions because you're either going to get kicked, or get the heat from it.
Don't ask, mess up, they'll know it's your first time and then they'll get pissy.
You're damned if you do, damned if you don't when it comes down to questions.
It's a shame too. People are so mean on this game some times people are scared to get the boot.
I try to help whenever I can. I'm also guilty of not asking things at times, because of said above.
I don't wanna hear it from people.

[Viridiana]

So probably wouldn't weigh on Ray Rice case either, because Janay hit Ray too. You people get tricked by the false equivalences so easily, that you don't know the flaw in that logic.

I don't even know what you're talking about. >_>

I assume I should know these people? Are they famous or something?

As for what appears to be a blatant attempt to get me to defend spousal abuse, I'll simply say that the entire thing is effed up, regardless of any statistics. It shouldn't happen, full stop.

It is a irrefutable fact that speed-runner are unhappy with the new players.

Yep, and I won't try to refute it. Well, that certain speed-runners are unhappy, anyway. I mean, there is that small demographic that's happy either way. Yes, you have the people abusing vote-kick against people watching cutscenes, but you also have healers standing outside boss rooms to wait for them even though they'd also be fine with a speed run.

It is way more common to see impatient experienced players cussing out the player that are just relatively newer than them.

Anecdotally, I'll agree. I'll even go so far as to say that I wouldn't be surprised if it remains true when properly researched. Of course, you'll never get a full data set of all players, and even if you do you're limited to what information is available in the game, which isn't everything. You wouldn't have anything to go off of that isn't in the chat window, which is missing a lot of data, basically.

Then again, there are still jerks on both sides, and probably always will be. Best you can really do is report them as appropriate and move on.

[Alipoprocks]

Leveling quick is not the problem. People being mean to other people that is the problem. Slowing down leveling won't help people learn group play any faster, actually it will make slower. And in the process if people were to berate others, they would be doing it there too. People behaving badly needs to be discouraged. The number of experienced player only increases over time and the choice/opportunity to be nice or mean to new player is going to be going to be in the hands of the experienced player 99% of the time, why is it so hard for the experienced player choose to be nice all the time?

I agree that people don't need to be mean. But the OP clearly didn't even know that he had inadequate gear and could use cross-class abilities. This game does a pretty good job pointing players in the right direction. Was just thinking that maybe there could be another way to clue new players about those things.

Plus, if leveling wasn't so quick, new players would have the time to see that they could upgrade/update their characters. It takes no time at all to get from 20 to 40. And at 20, you might be wearing level 16 gear and not even realize it at level 40. I have run into people that had that happen. Got all excited they could do a dungeon before realizing they could use a gear check. IDK. Whatever.

DON'T BE MEAN PEEPS!

[MirielleLavandre]

As per my other post, I absolutely hate it when vets are mean to new players. However, I will add this caveat that I have learned after one of the 'speed runners' asked me not to kick them during a run // he said that even though I could get into instances or roulettes instantly, he had waited 20 mins to get into one. Out of the 2.5 hours or so this player had to play each night, he spent 20 mins of it in queue and the dungeon looked to end up taking 60 mins or more. He reasoned that he has a very short amount of time to play and, as a main dps, wanted to try to maximize this free time in order to get the most out of it as he could. I sympathize with this, as I often feel the same way if I'm on my bard.

I think it important that we see both sides of the equation. No one has a right to be outright mean and rude to ANYONE, regardless of new or old, while at the same time new players may try to at least try their best to equip themselves or educate themselves, if possible, before joining DF queues so as to not end up the 'weak link'. Not saying they need to Youtube it up, but a lil research goes a long way ^_^v

[Synestra]

seen far too many ilv 100-110 players that do not know how to play their class (tanks mainly) and then rage because they lost agro.

As an tank this makes me always sad panda, because hands down tanking is the easiest role in this game. Anyway back on topic, if you are new to whole MMO genre i highly suggest checking class forums to get some sort of understanding for your chosen role/job, thats what i always do even before installing whole game so i know how skills, gearing etc works.