Thurmaturge OWNED

[Dragonlord]

Bio, Gravity, Slow, Paralyze, etc, etc, et al

i've never seen so much QQ about everything geez.. FFXIV must be populated with a bunch of children

Umm, last i checked we where having a debate, how does this indicate anyone making valid complaints are children? That is childish to assume as much. Anyhoo, bio, gravity, slow, paralyze, ect, ect, ect... What is the ect? All those spells you listed are are great spells i agree on that. However, i am not focusing on thm as much as the overhaul on the "MP consumption" Which last i checked will affect everysingle class in ffxiv. Not just thm/con. So, before you start talking about people QQ'ing, why dont you read the posts first then, give your feedback. /Cheers.

[LuxLex]

wow they nuked the "mages nerfed" thread - not even a reason. I guess we aren't allowed to be unhappy with their changes.

[Abriael]

So lets see if this is balanced, or helps make the two mage classes more distinctive.

Conjurer (as of 1.18): 67 Abilities/Spells Total

• 11 Curing/Raising Spells
• 8 Buffing Spells
• 2 Debuffing Abilities
• 12 Damage-Over-Time Spells
• 24 Direct Damage Abilities/Spells
• 2 Crowd Control Spells

Thaumaturge: 50 Abilities/Spells Total

• 4 Curing/Raising Spells
• 2 Buffing Spells
• 17 Debuffing Abilities/Spells
• 6 Damage-Over-Time Spells
• 11 Direct Damage Abilities/Spells
• 1 Crowd Control Spell

So if your keeping score, the better class to invite to your party for Curing, Buffing, Damage Over Time, Direct Damage, and Crowd Control is Conjurer. Thaumaturge only beats out Conjurer for debuffing.

Again, I picked Thaumaturge for debuffing, so I'm fine with this arrangement. But to say that this is balanced, or that this makes Conjurer a more distinctive class is not supported by the existing evidence.

The Development Team will definitely need to make MANY more adjustments in the future.

LOL.

If only balancing classes was just a matter of the NUMBER of spells each class has, balancing would be an elementary process.

Sorry, your "analysis" is based on a completely wrong premise.

[Ashgarth]

wow they nuked the "mages nerfed" thread - not even a reason. I guess we aren't allowed to be unhappy with their changes.

Provably moving it like they did with the Archer thread.

[Elkwood]

They Deleted it cause Evangela started it with Mages Nerfed I quit

[Coombah]

Wow Thurmaturge just got OWNED!

No AOE Curing
Emulate Nerfed to 30 seconds
MP Cost doubled Potentcy increased
Sac III Single target only now 120 MP
Siphone MP Single target only
Resurrect now 3 minutes 101 MP

Just wow

wow they just shitted all over THM ..... :_: wwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Neptune]

I'm wondering why this wasn't a topics post on the Lodestone. There's nerfs, and then there's rape.

[Reika]

I guess thaum are the dark harbingers of death now....

in response to this nerf, lets all us thaums.. TEAR THE WORLD ASUNDER!

[Sorel]

LOL.

If only balancing classes was just a matter of the NUMBER of spells each class has, balancing would be an elementary process.

Sorry, your "analysis" is based on a completely wrong premise.

If my analysis is flawed answer me these three questions.

What class has both the most powerful buffing spell AND the most buffing spells?

What class has both the most powerful healing spells AND the most healing spells?

What class has both the most powerful direct damage spells AND the most direct damage spells?

You are right though. Quantity in each category is not as important as quality. But unfortunately, Conjurers get the quality spells also. Protect 2, Rebirth, Ancient Magic ... those are the best Buffing, Healing, and Damaging spells.

Don't get me wrong. I do agree that THM was way too versatile and efficient versus CON. But (as SE has a tendency to do), the pendulum has swung to far the other way. Now CON is the uber-mage of FFXIV.

A single Conjurer can:

• Lay 6 DOT on a single mob.
• Lay Protect 2, Shell 2, Stoneskin 2, Shock Spikes 2 on his party.
• Cure his party AoE style.
• Blast the mob with Ancient Magic.
• Sleep or Repose any additional mobs.
• Raise allies with no negative side-effects.

Now why would any party leader invite a THM and CON combination over two CONs if he has the chance? They can do everything better except debuff!

So my heart goes out to the Conjurers of Eorzea. It will be harder on you than on us Thaumaturges. I wish you all patience and endurance for everything that will soon be asked of you. Good luck my tree-hugging, bead-sucking, wand-wielding magical brethren!

[Cursive]

great so now THM has lackluster cures and crappy debuffs. Well, one less class anyone is going to want to play.

you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. thm with high piety build destroys.