Thurmaturge OWNED

[CPS]

On one hand I'm unhappy about the removal of AOE and the larger MP cost, It seems a little far-fetched in a game where healing matters way more than what buffs or debuffs you can throw up, considering the trash duration on both.

On the other hand, at least I have a majority of the spells I will want to use on Conj.

XIV wasn't perfect, but the degree of customization was kind of nice while it lasted. nobody wants to play in some pre-defined box where the game is so rigid new ideas die.

[Etienn]

now THM can concentrate on what they were meant to do no? I am going to be a thm, it is only rak 10 I started ranking it up, my conj is rank 24. I want to rak of thm, people who are rank 50 may complain about a small nerf but you guys should get over it THM was way over powered.

[CPS]

THM was meant to do.. what, exactly? Buff and Debuff?

I don't mind the 'Change' to that, but I'd like some, you know... Buffing and Debuffing spells that are exclusive to THM. A reason to justify having one around would be nice, mostly; but as things stand right now due to the lack of something like refresh or even dispel, It is a non-essential job at best.

[Davorok]

Not sure if this has been said (I skipped ahead) but neither Curega nor Curega2 were listed as Conjurer Only so what is to stop THM from equiping those abilities? (if Con is leveld)

[zaviermhigo]

The only class specific spell thm has is shadowsear. I think really THM (including me) just feel gimped due to a lack of unique spells, CONJ got op spells and can now rape my class for w/e spells it might need, and the only thing conj ever had that I need was elemental dots and sleep maybe some buffs lol.

[tachikoma]

but remember just because any class can use a skill doesn't mean those skills work, try casting the CON based dots as a THM main and watch resist rates vs casting them as a native CON. I read somewhere its 60% less effective for battle classes using ws's off class and I'd expect that is about the correlation on this 40% accuracy reduction using off class skills.

Bottom line even if its not class specific doesn't mean that any class can make proper use of it.

[darkstarpoet1]

but remember just because any class can use a skill doesn't mean those skills work, try casting the CON based dots as a THM main and watch resist rates vs casting them as a native CON. I read somewhere its 60% less effective for battle classes using ws's off class and I'd expect that is about the correlation on this 40% accuracy reduction using off class skills.

Bottom line even if its not class specific doesn't mean that any class can make proper use of it.

you should have tried actually using them instead of reading then. you would have found out that was false. let a thm use the one with nature ability for con affinity and you use their abilities almost as well as they did. thm has one ability that is its own and nobody is going to take a thm in a group for a spell that has a multiple minute recast timer.

[zaviermhigo]

but remember just because any class can use a skill doesn't mean those skills work, try casting the CON based dots as a THM main and watch resist rates vs casting them as a native CON. I read somewhere its 60% less effective for battle classes using ws's off class and I'd expect that is about the correlation on this 40% accuracy reduction using off class skills.

Bottom line even if its not class specific doesn't mean that any class can make proper use of it.

I haven't experience this at all. I have used elemental nukes and dots on my thm on nms and they do really good damage. It may of been written in the game that is supposed to be 60% less effective, but it doesn't work at this point AT ALL. I can rape on conj or thm using either one of the abilities and it doesn't matter. Nukes are the only noticeable thing, they drop maybe 50 points in dmg, I also only use earth,water,ice, and wind. The three umbral stats, and then wind for gathering. So maybe elemental points aren't broken. But for now I would like if thm and conj abilities were less effective on each other, because i definitely cross class all the time and never notice a significant difference between the two, and I am paying attention.

I love you darkstarpoet1, someone understands me.

[LuxLex]

you should have tried actually using them instead of reading then. you would have found out that was false. let a thm use the one with nature ability for con affinity and you use their abilities almost as well as they did. thm has one ability that is its own and nobody is going to take a thm in a group for a spell that has a multiple minute recast timer.

Shhh.... they are making the game more "challenging" because LFP is "challenging"

[Kiote]

Not sure what the fuss is about, I love DoT classes. Mark my words, THM is going to be EPIC when all is said and done.

I mean honestly people.. Did you think CON wasn't going to be Both WHM and BLM?