FFXIV does not need to be like FFXI

[Luvbunny]

Again with the nostalgia argument, somehow you know exactly how it was and somehow I cannot? Somehow you know exactly how I am perceiving it so that you can declare it wrong?

Yes the last patch before Abyssea, which would be during the Wings of the Goddess expansion, a fail expansion where 85% of the new zones are DEAD, no one wants to even go there to do xp party except for the colibri level synch party from level 32-38. I am a realist, as much as I love certain aspects of FFXI, I can see shit no matter how you polish the turd. Zilart and ToAU are the two best expansion that comes from pre-abyssea era. CoP is an atrocious hot mess. When only less than 10% of your players able to reach the end game zone, it's an utter fail. SE is in the game "business" - it is SE job to appeal to as many player base as possible. Classic FFXI works at one point, it will not work again, especially not now. From a business point of view, it is a waste of resource. I rather have SE focus on FF14 and current FFXI and bring FFXI to be more up par to modern game. Kudos for the new FFXI for trying to undo the atrocious mess that is classic FFXI and bringing tons of fresh new content and "remixing" some old ones.

Maybe you should try a kickstart fund and propose this to SE head of business development, obviously there must be other players like you who want "classic FFXI" - let's see if you can figure out a sustainable business model for them on how to maintain "dead old classic game where things will be left as it is and no longer updated" but if you want to play it, you still have to pay monthly subs. Good luck with that!

[Redemption]

Yes the last patch before Abyssea, which would be during the Wings of the Goddess expansion, a fail expansion where 85% of the new zones are DEAD, no one wants to even go there to do xp party except for the colibri level synch party from level 32-38. I am a realist, as much as I love certain aspects of FFXI, I can see shit no matter how you polish the turd.

Wings certainly wasn't the best expansion, but it was still a good additon to the game. The story line is nice and I liked campaign as well. What it didn't do, was offer a lot of compelling reasons to be there like a new kind of endgame or better reasons to explore the zones. As for your polished turd point, I see the exact same here. FFXIV is not a bad game, I can admit that, but it is packed full of a ton of problems and unappealing features... I mean 85% of the zones were dead here too until they forced everyone to go back for relic upgrades and hunts.

[Luvbunny]

Wings certainly wasn't the best expansion, but it was still a good additon to the game. The story line is nice and I liked campaign as well. What it didn't do, was offer a lot of compelling reasons to be there like a new kind of endgame or better reasons to explore the zones.

Storywise, Wings and ToAU are pretty good. ToAU however is better designed because it offers more options, and points rewards applied to you only, so people were more inclined to help you since they get their own points. Seekers is a better expansion (after they did a complete 360 and fixed it). I think the current FFXI is as good as it can be, and will be even better looking at how much dedication the new team is giving to that game. I can't say any bad things on their efforts to modernize FFXI and they brought so many features from FF14. I wish Yoshi would steal a few good things from FFXI and remix it for FF14.

[Redemption]

Im not going to keep discussing this with you because its just going in circles. I genuinely liked the experience, all of it, the good and the bad so deal with it. You didn't and thats ok, you have your own things and this isnt relevant to you. Let the devs worry about the business aspect of it, if it truly isn't doable then they won't do it, they don't need you or anyone else sticking words in their mouth.

[Luvbunny]

Im not going to keep discussing this with you because its just going in circles. I genuinely liked the experience, all of it, the good and the bad so deal with it. You didn't and thats ok, you have your own things and this isnt relevant to you. Let the devs worry about the business aspect of it, if it truely isnt doable then they won't do it, they dont need you or anyone else sticking words in their mouth.

Yup - if this is a great business model, they would have done it way back in 2012 when according to many naysayer = "Abyssea brought ruin to FFXI and destroyed the game and completely brought it to the ground, it was a massive disaster of epic proportion". Let's create a classic FFXI server to "reset" the progress of evil Abyssea so everyone can go back and never have to experience the epic disaster of an expansion. It didn't happen back then, it will not happen now. Instead what they did was "resetting" the game via Seekers of Adoulin and introducing i-level system.

[Reynhart]

Im not going to keep discussing this with you because its just going in circles. I genuinely liked the experience, all of it, the good and the bad so deal with it. You didn't and thats ok, you have your own things and this isnt relevant to you. Let the devs worry about the business aspect of it, if it truly isn't doable then they won't do it, they don't need you or anyone else sticking words in their mouth.

You still haven't answered my question (Which was a real one, by the way). Suppose they create a server withtout anything post-Abyssea. What content would you do there that you haven't done already ?

[Luvbunny]

You still haven't answered my question (Which was a real one, by the way). Suppose they create a server withtout anything post-Abyssea. What content would you do there that you haven't done already ?

I would guess SE doesn't even need to add new content because the current "classic" FFXI will be more than enough contents. It has notorious lock down that goes on for days and you can't solo any endgame so you are severely limited with the type of progress you can do. Dynamis would need at least 8-12 people, and Limbus has 3 days lock down. None of the Aht Ungat content can be solo as well on "classic FFXI". Since the main goal would be only to make your relic and mythic weapon and getting artifact +1 gears. This will ensure everyone is stuck in a hamster grind wheels for years.

[Redemption]

I would guess SE doesn't even need to add new content because the current "classic" FFXI will be more than enough contents. It has notorious lock down that goes on for days and you can't solo any endgame so you are severely limited with the type of progress you can do. Dynamis would need at least 8-12 people, and Limbus has 3 days lock down. None of the Aht Ungat content can be solo as well on "classic FFXI". Since the main goal would be only to make your relic and mythic weapon and getting artifact +1 gears. This will ensure everyone is stuck in a hamster grind wheels for years.

I don't think you understand what a hamster wheel grind is. THIS game has a hamster wheel, that is, that every step forward is inevitably going to go backward. You have a problem with the long time it takes to get something in old ffxi, yet you have spent 1 year here now grinding gear to get no further relative to the "end" than you were within the first 3 months. The progression here is an illusion, THAT is a hamster wheel, in ffxi it took a while but your rewards were good for the duration of the lvl 75 era of the game. You are doing the exact same thing here except you are just transitioning through more phases.

[Luvbunny]

I don't think you understand what a hamster wheel grind is. THIS game has a hamster wheel, that is, that every step forward is inevitably going to go backward.The progression here is an illusion, THAT is a hamster wheel, in ffxi it took a while but your rewards were good for the duration of the lvl 75 era of the game. You are doing the exact same thing here except you are just transitioning through more phases.

LOL I have no illusions whatsoever, I know what FF14 is. Nothing meant to last in this game. It is a short term fix for three months or less. It's log and play, have your fun, cap your weekly, do your daily. Enjoy the scenery. Chat with your FC - assuming you have active ones. So many options of things to do. Yes none of these are suppose to last you a long long time. It is not suppose to be, and it's rather dumb to make something last for years and years. Get with the program, new shiny things every three months so you can repeat the "short term" grind for new shiny. You don't even have to stay subscribe to this game. It's what makes it great. You can stop playing and come back and still be able to catch up in a few weeks. No dedication required.

[Aylis]

You still haven't answered my question (Which was a real one, by the way). Suppose they create a server withtout anything post-Abyssea. What content would you do there that you haven't done already ?

That is what you would do, cept it goes deeper then just content. Some people just want the feeling back of when their favorite MMO was new and want to relive memories of that new and fresh feeling. While I didn't play XI, i played EQ. Yeah by today's standards its old, slow and clunky, but it does have memories. That's enough of a reason for the people that support classic servers.

Its what funnels things like Project 1999 and the PSU private servers which i maybe wrong now but the last time I stayed up to date with them are still going strong. It shows people support these things. When SOE was thinking about sunsetting the EQMAC server. A server that hasn't seen an expansion or a game update in over 10 years due to the games mac port being abandoned but the server remained. The servers entire population, and yes it had a pretty sizable population all rallied together and in the end SOE kept the server going.

People like reforging new memories in favorite games with others who want the same.