Reporting FC leaders who know about cheaters?

[Frisque]

You can tell a bot by watching its movement and if it doesn't respond to your replies. I am not new to the reporting game and know how to spot a bot when I see one.

They are pre programed to follow set cords and respond with the same times with every movement and attack. They also do not show human characteristics when behaving such as jumping and taking the long way around rocks/rivers/gaps.

The Leader can warp to my location and see for himself so don't act like they are so preoccupied with their own things that they are incapable of confirming themselves, I gladly tell them the area the bot was in.

When I gather, I don't reply to people who try to chit chat to "feel me out", because eff those guys, I'm too busy to accommodate your private investigator game.

[Yahavage]

However, all players are given the benefit of the doubt and much investigation has to be done in order to verify any reported botters are in fact botters.

Months and months and months of investigation if the lack of progress on doing anything about the same group of botters on Sargatanas who are always, always, always at the plasmoid spawn in North Shroud doing the same motions and automatically attacking anything that comes into range... Not sure when they first got reported by my partner,at least 4 months ago, possibly 6. They're still there though.

[Abomination713]

What distinguishes this player from any other who follows a set path between gathering nodes and has you on blist? You even said he was FATE-botting... how is that even possible? They're not regularly timed.

Bots do fate farm. I reported a guy 2 months back with 4 other people cause he was a level 50 PLD with a Novus and was fate farming and he's still around cause he pays a sub. SE is letting botters run around. If you don't know what bots are capable of, you really shouldn't be telling others what's a bot and what isn't. The people that report them know what to look for and can easily tell a bot from a normal player. It's not rocket science (but to you it might be). Just because you can't tell a bot from a normal person doesn't mean someone is wrong. Just means you're blind and don't want to realize the truth. I've seen bots farm fates, make a b-line to newly spawned hunts using radar, farm monsters in a small area for mats, craft all though the night, and even have a group of them in-sync with each other doing fates in the starter areas. If you don't believe bots can do fates, go to Gridania or Ul'dah early in the morning and go around to the fates till you see 4 bots in starting armor all doing fates with similar names with decent levels. Until you see that, you have no right to comment on what a bot is.

On topic, Maddonious is correct to report FC leaders if they refuse to kick a bot and don't want to see them. It's their responsibility to keep their FC's clean. It's no different than being an accomplice to a crime. The only people that protect bots are those that use them. Just like people that hate cops that have something to hide. It's been proven time and time again.

When I gather, I don't reply to people who try to chit chat to "feel me out", because eff those guys, I'm too busy to accommodate your private investigator game.

Yes, cause I'm sure so many people want to talk to you. Rude people are just going to be rude I guess.

[Ryel]

I need not say more to you as I feel you are leading me on now and trying to aggravate me.

While you may not like the replies that Aegis has given you, they aren't incorrect.

You can tell a bot by watching its movement and if it doesn't respond to your replies. I am not new to the reporting game and know how to spot a bot when I see one.

They are pre programed to follow set cords and respond with the same times with every movement and attack. They also do not show human characteristics when behaving such as jumping and taking the long way around rocks/rivers/gaps.

The Leader can warp to my location and see for himself so don't act like they are so preoccupied with their own things that they are incapable of confirming themselves, I gladly tell them the area the bot was in.

A lot of this is possibly accurate but impossible to verify with the tools available to you as a player.

Speaking from personal experience, I'm a PC player who plays with a controller using a dual monitor setup. This allows me to alt tab and input commands via controller so i can watch movies or browse the web while still doing tasks that require minimal attention to the game like bulk craft orders or fishing or even simple FATE spam for Atma grind.

The volume from other sources or the log spam from crafting / battle / anything else could very easily cause me to miss a /tell if I'm not expecting one, does this mean I'm botting because i didn't respond to you?

This is exactly the reason that players aren't the ones tasked with carrying out in-game investigations on 3rd party activity and even with recorded evidence GM's have a policy of not using evidence submitted from outside of the game (Youtube videos, forums posts) in their investigations because of the caution they have to take when dealing with a player's account.

If an FC leader does choose to follow up on your independent investigation that is entirely their call, but them not following up on your personal speculation is not grounds to report them.

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On topic, Maddonious is correct to report FC leaders if they refuse to kick a bot and don't want to see them. It's their responsibility to keep their FC's clean. It's no different than being an accomplice to a crime. The only people that protect bots are those that use them. Just like people that hate cops that have something to hide. It's been proven time and time again.

This would be correct if the FC leader was actively encouraging the use of 3rd party tools and you could prove it, while i agree an FC leader should keep a clean FC it isn't a reportable offense

[Maddonious]

Months and months and months of investigation if the lack of progress on doing anything about the same group of botters on Sargatanas who are always, always, always at the plasmoid spawn in North Shroud doing the same motions and automatically attacking anything that comes into range... Not sure when they first got reported by my partner,at least 4 months ago, possibly 6. They're still there though.

The sad truth about bots in this game, no matter how you report they still keep playing cause they still keep paying (but doesnt stop me from trying hoping for change :\ )

[Abomination713]

Speaking from personal experience, I'm a PC player who plays with a controller using a dual monitor setup. This allows me to alt tab and input commands via controller so i can watch movies or browse the web while still doing tasks that require minimal attention to the game like bulk craft orders or fishing or even simple FATE spam for Atma grind.

Doing those things with little attention is normal, but doing them nonstop and perfect with little attention is not. Everyone can hear a wisp to them unless they shut the sound to the game off.

[Maddonious]

While you may not like the replies that Aegis has given you, they aren't incorrect.




A lot of this is possibly accurate but impossible to verify with the tools available to you as a player.

Tools= My eyes. If your curious they work great.

Speaking from personal experience, I'm a PC player who plays with a controller using a dual monitor setup. ect. --->

Your missing the unhuman characteristic aspect of my report. I don't report solely on being rude with not responding, I also cross check with movement and study them to see if they are on a grid.

I don't know why people are thinking that Human movement = Pre programed coordinates.

What what people are telling me......"Oh you saw that guy perform the same path for over 15 mins now with no alterations in its movement (no path changes, no character swinging, no stopping)....... no its human, your just blind......"

[Ryel]

Doing those things with little attention is normal, but doing them nonstop and perfect with little attention is not. Everyone can hear a wisp to them unless they shut the sound to the game off.

Which i often do when crafting while watching a movie, in game option allows you to mute the sound when it isn't the primary window (dual monitor + borderless window) so it's entirely possible for me to miss a /tell or two while playing.

[Maddonious]

Doing those things with little attention is normal, but doing them nonstop and perfect with little attention is not. Everyone can hear a wisp to them unless they shut the sound to the game off.

To be fair if they are listening to something else they pry won't hear the tell ping.

I do agree they have to stop sometime, no one can watch something and play at the same time nonstop without getting distracted.

[Aegis]

Bots do fate farm. I reported a guy 2 months back with 4 other people cause he was a level 50 PLD with a Novus and was fate farming and he's still around cause he pays a sub.

Nowhere in this statement does it say how you know he's using any kind of third party tool to farm FATES. Your entire statement is that he's guilty because you reported him. Ignoring the fact that a GM looked into it and didn't back you up

SE is letting botters run around. If you don't know what bots are capable of, you really shouldn't be telling others what's a bot and what isn't. The people that report them know what to look for and can easily tell a bot from a normal player. It's not rocket science (but to you it might be). Just because you can't tell a bot from a normal person doesn't mean someone is wrong. Just means you're blind and don't want to realize the truth.

Lots of name calling in here, but it doesn't particularly bother me that you get this worked up. Again, you are just saying "I know bots better than you do, just because." Even though the one guy you've told me you reported was found by a GM not to be botting...

I've seen bots farm fates, make a b-line to newly spawned hunts using radar, farm monsters in a small area for mats, craft all though the night,

Radar is a third party tool and reportable, of course, but it's not botting. Crafting all through the night is very possible to bot, agreed and that's easy to report. Though again, if a GM speaks to them and they respond, there's no evidence they aren't just macro-crafting and are at the screen at all times. Same with farming monsters, you can set a macro to cycle between targets and attack.


and even have a group of them in-sync with each other doing fates in the starter areas.
If you don't believe bots can do fates, go to Gridania or Ul'dah early in the morning and go around to the fates till you see 4 bots in starting armor all doing fates with similar names with decent levels. Until you see that, you have no right to comment on what a bot is.

I pay my sub (for about four more years than you) so I can comment on whatever I like. I don't deny there are bots, although the low level FATE ones sound more like the multi-boxing that used to go on in V1 at cedarwood all the time. Ie: one person is controlling them all through third party tools, but is actively there to respond to /tells and so is cheating, but not botting.

On topic, Maddonious is correct to report FC leaders if they refuse to kick a bot and don't want to see them. It's their responsibility to keep their FC's clean. It's no different than being an accomplice to a crime. The only people that protect bots are those that use them. Just like people that hate cops that have something to hide. It's been proven time and time again.

I'd like to think I'm protecting those who are accused of being botters until they are found guilty by the GMs rather than this internet lynch mob you appear to be advocating.


Yes, cause I'm sure so many people want to talk to you. Rude people are just going to be rude I guess.

You've certainly managed to be

I'm gonna need more persuading than some this rant...