SE Forgot to Add YouTube as a Requirement on Game Packaging/System Requirements?

[Volcano]

I think it inconsiderate to use duty finder and not know the fights.

Sure, I understand the idea of going in blind and how a segment of players enjoys that. However, those players should seek out like minded people to explore and learn fights with rather than subject some random strangers to their ineptitude.

If you want to use duty finder as a personal explorer mode, run the dungeon the 1st week it is out when most of the player base does not know the dungeon. Otherwise, watch a video or find three other people/friends who want to spend an hour running a 15 min dungeon.

I think it's inconsiderate to use DF and NOT expect new people/people who don't know the fight, as DF is the primary way new people even get content done, if any fool goes in expecting an expert group, they set it on them selves to be let down when they find someone that needs teaching, if you only want experienced people, then you make a party and ask for only those.

[Vespar]

Why do people keep blaming SE for players attitudes? If you felt hurt, angry, irritated, etc from a players comments its considered harassment, report it, 'nuff said.

[Magis]

The issue why its prevalent is because of XIVs combat system. You don't learn your character and beat bosses by your skill at playing your job. You beat bosses by knowing their gimmicks and mechanics. You could be the best Black Mage ever and will still wipe because Hey! Blighted Bouquet instagibs you if you move. Are you given a chance to recover? Does the spell name or animation have any indication what it does? No! You get a scripted dance that you must follow, and you better know the steps to that dance cause how you play your job means poop all.

Because the steps are so important, people would rather you watch a video and know em, because it will just mean you will wipe the pt anyway. I don't fault the players, they know there is no point to bang your head when a youtube video can solve the issue. I fault the shallow battle system XIV has.

[Raist]

The "set up your own group" suggestion works both ways. The DF is for everyone. Not just people who've already mastered the content. If the chance of getting paired up with new players who may not know the ins & outs is unacceptable to someone, then why gamble with DF? Why not recruit friends and/or set up PF for it? Make sure you never get grouped with inept players again.

You gamble with DF because of the carrot SE is dangling out there for doing it. Kinda goes in line with the 50/50 blame mentioned in an earlier post. SE gives attractive enough incentives for us to try to spam these roulette's each day, and people just simply get impatient I guess.

Always kind of wished they could tweak it so you could run all of them while preforming part of the party and still get the daily rewards. That way we could do it with 3 or 6 friends that are comfortable enough with "low-manning" the fights that they maybe don't freak out if they have to carry someone that they pick up through the DF.

[cryptic_angel]

The "set up your own group" suggestion works both ways. The DF is for everyone. Not just people who've already mastered the content. If the chance of getting paired up with new players who may not know the ins & outs is unacceptable to someone, then why gamble with DF? Why not recruit friends and/or set up PF for it? Make sure you never get grouped with inept players again.

I typically don't do random DF groups because I hate wasting my time with players who play poorly. I play with my like minded people because I don't want to be rude to the DF group when I want to run the dungeon in 10 mins or less.

Also, as it pertains to DF, there is a difference between a player wanting to run fast and a player who has no idea what is going on. The player who wants to run fast is not going to slow three other people down and take up more time than needed. One new player in the dungeon has the potential to hold back the entire group.

I would say the new player is being selfish if they expect to do sub par dps/hps/tanking, not know where to go, and expect people to explain the fight to them. The player who wants to go faster is not adding extra time to the dungeon. The inept player is most likely already adding more time to a dungeon via bad gear or bad dps/hps/tanking. The player new to the dungeon could at least hear the explanation on youtube instead of expecting to hear an explanation from a party member.

Most of the time, it just seems like the new player is lazy and rather get an explanation from the party or carried by the party rather than doing the research themselves.

I think it's inconsiderate to use DF and NOT expect new people/people who don't know the fight, as DF is the primary way new people even get content done, if any fool goes in expecting an expert group, they set it on them selves to be let down when they find someone that needs teaching, if you only want experienced people, then you make a party and ask for only those.

I typically don't do random DF groups because I hate wasting my time with players who play poorly. I play with my like minded people because I don't want to be rude to the DF group when I want to run the dungeon in 10 mins or less.

Also, maybe those players would down more content if they were not so lazy and actually researched fights. I am not interested in helping those who don't want to help themselves.

[KaiKatzchen]

The player new to the dungeon could at least hear the explanation on youtube instead of expecting to hear an explanation from a party member.

Most of the time, it just seems like the new player is lazy and rather get an explanation from the party or carried by the party rather than doing the research themselves.

But you see that's a double edged sword, some people might think more experienced players are being lazy buy not explaining something or help a player figure something out that might take a whole minute. It can go either way.

All I know is this, when this game came out none of us knew what to do, and there were no videos at the time to 'teach us' the right way. We worked together. got advice and ran it 20 times, dying most until we learning the trick. No one told us 'go watch a youtube video and then comeback and stop wasting my time'.

So why are people getting on new players for doing the exact same thing that we do when new content comes out? The first day Hullbreaker came out, did people watch videos? No because there were none, we bashed our heads into a wall until we figured it out. When someone we knew did beat it: 'oh oh how you did it, give us advice etc...' and then we would take that and beat it with the advice.

Honestly to me sometimes it just feels like a 'do as we say, not as we do' hypocrisy. They are simply doing what we did, figuring it out buy doing, like we did when they game started, and how we do it every time new content comes out. Because to them, even if it's been out for 5 months, it's new content.

[cryptic_angel]

But you see that's a double edged sword, some people might think more experienced players are being lazy buy not explaining something or help a player figure something out that might take a whole minute. It can go either way.

Not wanting to explain something does not make a veteran player lazy. The player already did the leg work to learn the fights one way or another. A new player's unwillingness to watch a fight is lazy. A vet player not wanting to explain fights every time they use the DF is understandable.

By your logic of the double edge sword:

Player A put in x effort to learn a fight.
Player B put in 0 effort to learn the fight.

Now player A has to put in more effort to teach player B. Player A already put in the time to learn the fight. Player A is not being lazy be refusing to explain stuff.

All I know is this, when this game came out none of us knew what to do, and there were no videos at the time to 'teach us' the right way. We worked together. got advice and ran it 20 times, dying most until we learning the trick. No one told us 'go watch a youtube video and then comeback and stop wasting my time'.

So why are people getting on new players for doing the exact same thing that we do when new content comes out? The first day Hullbreaker came out, did people watch videos? No because there were none, we bashed our heads into a wall until we figured it out. When someone we knew did beat it: 'oh oh how you did it, give us advice etc...' and then we would take that and beat it with the advice.

Honestly to me sometimes it just feels like a 'do as we say, not as we do' hypocrisy. They are simply doing what we did, figuring it out buy doing, like we did when they game started, and how we do it every time new content comes out. Because to them, even if it's been out for 5 months, it's new content.

The standards change. When hull breaker came out, I ran it with three other FC mates so we could figure out the entire dungeon together. That's exactly what I suggested above, new players should find like minded people to explore dungeons with.

[Aldora]

There are people who can get valuable information from a video and instantly use that tactic like it's their own. But, not many players are like that. There are plenty of people who have to experience the mechanics a few times before they get the general gist of it. It is better to get hands-on experience, rather then "reading" about it.

Like other posters have said already, YouTube vids and strategy guides are good to provide you with information about complex mechanics (and degree in which players will classify mechanics as "difficult" will differ per player), but why have people watch YouTube video's for dungeons like Hullbreaker Isle? They are easy enough to figure out without having to read up about it.

If players don't actively attempt to see mechanics and learn from them, then watching a video about it or have someone else explain it for them will only help them "so much". If i queue up for a dungeon and someone asks if there is something that (s)he needs to know about the dungeon, i'll be happy to oblige. If i see people struggle to keep hate, keep players alive or get the most damage out of their class. I would give them pointers to try out. They will have to use that information, so that they can fully understand it. If they don't do that, then it's on them. But, i've helped quite a lot of players, learn things about the class they play, what mechanics to look for and what to do when the going gets tough.

We are playing this game together, so why not act like it instead of "playing for your self"? The DF is there for everyone to use. Both the new and the experienced players. You could even be playing with someone who hasn't even touched an MMO before this one. Think about that for a sec, before you go into a "rage" and launch an attack on the "new guy".

You are not required to help. You are not required to give an explanation. You are not required to carry some one. But please, at least show some courtesy and play together every once and a while. It's more fun that way.

[coldreactive]

Time = loot. The more time wasted on newbies, the less time he has to get DAT PHAT DROP YO. Welcome to the new generation of MMO players.

You can always run it again. After all, when you get everything you want that the game currently has to offer, you end up giving it up usually if you think like that. When the level cap is increased, a lot of people are going to be upset that it only drops item level 55 and 60 stuff and not as hard as the hard primals.

A lot of people want to enjoy games as they play them, not watch videos of gameplay before they play that content. As said above as well, you can't learn everything from a video, and yes, it can help you understand, but actually doing it, is an experience for you, and you only. Only you can feel what you feel, and only you can tell others what YOU experienced, not what THEY will experience.

[Enesuia]

This is really really absurd. Youtube is another way of people who use "Certain title for dummies" Series of books. I've been reading through this, and honestly.. from my perspective and not opinion. Jees, this isn't school. It's a video game where we enjoy players wanting to enjoy a game--- not compete who has the biggest ego.

What in the world is going on with our community?! It is nothing like FFXI, too many aggressive and rude players. .___. Now you know why we we're segregated from the Japanese players. At least Japanese players in their own kind or players willing to learn the dungeon or fight would gladly explain you the fight if you can comprehend.

There is something called a "Party Finder" Which is already being ruined by grieving players asking for things as "Clears only" or "don't join if you haven't clear, will be kicked." Yet whats funny most of those parties end up failing regardless, with players in high allagan gear or novus, upgraded weather gear etc etc.

So really, what is wrong with our community?