Are you happy with the current raiding structure in this game?

[Ooshima]

This game is painfully limited & their raiding structure is practically non-existent. If they really intended it this way they're really not very good at developing instanced content - four relevant boss fights and that's only if you can find a group of competent players or adhere to a static schedule?

Sounds like a co-op frustration simulator not an MMORPG to me~

You have to recall again what was the concept behind this game. FFXIV isn't a hardcore MMORPG - if you want a more hardcore FF MMORPG, that would be XI. FF series have all the while been moderate series where it isn't too difficult for the masses to enjoy, with lots of side contents, like a theme park. It is a signature experience of FF games, and of course it is expected to continue as a concept of FF.

Yoship have again and again pointed out at the direction he intended for this game, which is fairly obvious that he is retaining this tradition. FFXIV is not a game that will be difficult, you will be given a few mild to challenging encounters but also given a lot of side contents for you to choose from, that may interest you. You may think gardening is crap, raising chocobo and dying them is shit, but there are a lot of my FC mates that are heavily into this and does their crafting, gardening and chocobo dying experiments daily and religiously. The FC I am in is pretty much a hardcore FC with teams achieving server firsts in both BCoB and SCoB and clearing savage coils, so you cannot say that gardening etc are something for the casuals. It is really up to the individual if these side contents interest you or not, and it was Yoship and his team's job to provide this variety.

This wasn't a game where it would dominate most of your gaming time or even your daily time. Instead, this was more like a game that you could log in everyday and spend 4-12hours and do everything from roulettes, myth grind for the whole Zodiak questline and obtain all 9 Novus, hunts, etc etc if you want, or alternatively, log in as and when you'd like, raid-log and enjoy the many other games out there also, if you'd want. It is a very moderate game, filling in with many side choices within every other patch, while adding a little flavor of challenge every now and then for those who seek some.

The problem with the player base is that they do not recognize the nature and concept behind this game and treat it as it will be the main and only game they play the whole year, as if this was a part-time job or something. Overall this is a fairly casual MMO, if you are looking forward to a more complex game that will make you put in lots of hours grinding end-game and difficult bosses, this is probably not the game for you.

[Dhex]

YGardening, Chocobos, Basic Dungeons, and other Side content.

"Are you happy with the current raiding structure in this game?"

What does Chocobo dye, Gardening, Mythology Tomes, or any of the other side content you've mention have to do with the fact that this game is extremely weak and shallow when it comes to raiding?

Can we please stick to the topic? You don't refute anything about the raiding system - and that's what this thread is discussing - if you're happy with it say so and move on. Don't try to glaze over other people's concerns and suggestions repeatedly without offering something at least mildly constructive.

Also what even;

This wasn't a game where it would dominate most of your gaming time or even your daily time. Instead, this was more like a game that you could log in everyday and spend 4-12hours

[SarcasmMisser]

As a mmo player PAYING TO PLAY THIS GAME. I feel it is reasonable to demand at least 30hrs of Relevant endgame content per week on 1 character.

That's insane and there is no reason why the devs should cater to that amount of playtime when most players are casual. Whenever a new player dings 50 in this game the thing I hear the most is "I'm overwhelmed by the amount of things to do", thinking they need 30 hours of endgame content a week is just being completely out of touch and the one thing that sets this game apart from 1.0 is that devs are actually in touch with most players. The mmo as a full time job player is something they should actively dis-encourage, it was the worst stereotype of XI players they should bury like a shameful secret.

[Xatsh]

That's insane and there is no reason why the devs should cater to that amount of playtime when most players are casual. Whenever a new player dings 50 in this game the thing I hear the most is "I'm overwhelmed by the amount of things to do", thinking they need 30 hours of endgame content a week is just being completely out of touch and the one thing that sets this game apart from 1.0 is that devs are actually in touch with most players. The mmo as a full time job player is something they should actively dis-encourage, it was the worst stereotype of XI players they should bury like a shameful secret.

Your stand point is the insain one.

In order to enjoy the game at the end you have to play less? really?

Catering to the casuals is the worst thing they can do in terms of content amount. Yes give them content to do and stuff they can accomplish. But if you only cater to the weekend warriors you will screw over anyone with more then 10hrs a week of playtime.

The devs 100% should cater to those with that playtime. So everyone has content they can do. Not just the casuals.

Oh and by the way 1.0 suffered from a major lack of content too. Was the #1 problem outside the graphics engine.

[SarcasmMisser]

I dunno if you need a reality check but for most normal people playing less than 30 hours a week in an online video game is not a shocking or hard decision to make. Even if you just spend all your time on the internet you could play other games, i have dozens in my steam backlog, or watch something.

Also catering to casuals pay bills. 1.0 was a good demonstration of why you don't ignore them.

[Ooshima]

"Are you happy with the current raiding structure in this game?"

What does Chocobo dye, Gardening, Mythology Tomes, or any of the other side content you've mention have to do with the fact that this game is extremely weak and shallow when it comes to raiding?

Can we please stick to the topic? You don't refute anything about the raiding system - and that's what this thread is discussing - if you're happy with it say so and move on. Don't try to glaze over other people's concerns and suggestions repeatedly without offering something at least mildly constructive.

Also what even;

Then you completely miss my point. I am saying that the current raid and structure of the game is fine, and my constructive comment is that people like you need to be aware of this, and move on to another game if you think it doesn't fit your bill. Because the concept of this game is unlikely to differ.

Quoting the below post for truth as well.

I dunno if you need a reality check but for most normal people playing less than 30 hours a week in an online video game is not a shocking or hard decision to make. Even if you just spend all your time on the internet you could play other games, i have dozens in my steam backlog, or watch something.

Also catering to casuals pay bills. 1.0 was a good demonstration of why you don't ignore them.

[Dhex]

Don't ignore them.

I think what Xatsh is saying is that we need more variety in our endgame raiding structure - this allows players more avenues if they have trouble with certain content and it would allow developers more room to implement a wider variety of gear and secondary stats as well as allowing them to explore encounter designs with multiple group sizes and even allow for content aimed at Free Companies. All of this would also translate into "more things" for the hardcore or dedicated player to enjoy. It would also allow casual players to link up with groups they otherwise are excluded from at the moment.

[Dhex]

Then you completely miss my point. I am saying that the current raid and structure of the game is fine, and my constructive comment is that people like you need to be aware of this, and move on to another game if you think it doesn't fit your bill. Because the concept of this game is unlikely to differ.

Quoting the below post for truth as well.

Sorry but you fail to see how exclusivity and rigidity with content limitations is bad for the game so I'll give up on trying to explain it to you.

[Ooshima]

Sorry but you fail to see how exclusivity and rigidity with content limitations is bad for the game so I'll give up on trying to explain it to you.

I'm sorry but you fail to see the majority of the players does not spend the amount of time you guys are going to propose and these chunk of people are the income for this game. Its so easy to see and such a simple reality check that I give up explaining it to you. I like how it is and I am certainly not keen in putting 30 hours a week into end game every week. I have other things I want to do and play as well.

[Dhex]

I am certainly not keen in putting 30 hours a week into end game every week. I have other things I want to do and play as well.

Okay see here's where the point of Xatsh's comment seems to have flown over your head; You don't have to do 30hrs worth of content a week.

There should be at least 30hrs of content available within a week. It's an MMORPG - you're not supposed to be "finished" with it overnight... in a month... in six or even in a year.
The point is having lots of fun and engaging encounters and adventures available. Coil is not exactly fun if you're outside of a static - in fact it rapidly becomes a frustrating waste of your time. When you decide - nah not doing Coil your options are the side content you mention which itself is just a shallow grind. If you've got a static and are clearing within an hour of the reset then the problem of depth rears it's head once again.

Just because you could spend endless hours in a week on FFXIV doesn't mean you have to~

For example; I could spend all day every day doing hunts - but I'm not going to.

Give us more raids - more diversity. Make it accessible. Get these Free Companies out doing things together and make it inclusive.