Chocobo Dye Experimentation

[Sadana]

My notes on my spreadsheet say this for Snow White:
+ Pear = Sylph Green
+ Plums = Ice Blue or Celeste Green
+ Berries = Ice Blue
+ Berries = Celeste Green
+ Berries can HQ Lotus Pink
+ Valfruit = Lotus Pink

As we gather more data it seems that many colors have a chance to go to one of a few colors. There seems to be sort of a common-uncommon-rare type of chance as to which color it will be.

I hate to say this, but Snow White + Berries to 1 proc looped me back to Sylph Green. :/
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2383349 (under Chickyboo test subject)

[Anonymoose]

Going to join the fray here and post each step of my progress from Desert Yellow to Grape Purple (one new feathers message from one fruit type at a time). Hopefully I can help corroborate the findings so far, and if something goes horribly awry, hopefully you'll at least be able to help meh fix it!

FEED #1 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Desert Yellow (216 175 80)
Feed: Xelphatol Apple
Log:

• Fed Apple
  
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Apple
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Millioncorn Yellow (226 152 46)
Resulting Color: Millioncorn Yellow (226 152 46)
Notes: Corroborates chart so far.

FEED #2 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Millioncorn Yellow (226 152 46)
Feed: Xelphatol Apple
Log:

• Fed Apple
  
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Pumpkin Orange (293 109 31)
Resulting Color: Pumpkin Orange (293 109 31)
Notes: 13 feeds to move one color, oof. Gonna need to grow another set of apples...

FEED #3 (Stable: Good)

Starting Color: Pumpkin Orange (293 109 31)
Feed: Xelphatol Apple
Log:

• Fed Apple
  
• Timer Begins ("New Plumage")
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Fed Apple
• Color Shifts ("New Feathers")

Expectation: Sunset Orange (178 85 39)
Resulting Color: TIMER IN PROGRESS; 05:05AM EST
Notes: This stage is a little strange if one assumes that the raw RGB values are of worth, here. From Pumpkin to Sunset, the green decreases as expected, but the red decreases and the blue increases? From an apple? SE's values must be a little different if this is true. Also, another 12 apples down. Doubt I'll make it from sunset (assuming I get sunset) to blood in just 9 from my first planting. <sad meh>

TL;DR SUMMARY
Staring Color: Desert Yellow
End Goal: Grape Purple
Path to Date: Completed steps in black, optimistically anticipated steps in gray (Please recommend changes if you see something off.)

• [Step 1] Desert Yellow to Millioncorn Yellow in 2 Apples
• [Step 2] Millioncorn Yellow to Pumpkin Orange in 13 Apples
• [Step 3] Pumpkin Orange to Sunset Orange in 12 Apples
• [Step 4] Sunset Orange to Blood Red in # Apples
• [Step 5] Blood Red to Dalamud Red in # Berries
  
• [Step 6] Dalamud Red to Rolanberry Red in # Berries
• [Step 7] Rolanberry Red to Grape Purple in # Pears

Total Feedings: 27 Xelphatol Apples

[Ravenloft]

LMAO.. oh this is getting hilarious.

17th Stage Finished

Recounting the last few..
Valfruit from Dalamud Red: Dalamud Red > Blood Red > Dalamud Red .. yes, hello another loop!

Oh well, that actually works out really well for what I wanted to test next. I'll be doing Berries to Rolanberry Red, then Pears from there in a Wine Red attempt.

My Old Post with everything I've done recorded in it.

[Boomerz]

While I can't tell you if Boomerz's approach is correct, I can say that it is a step in the right direction. From a programmer's perspective (me): while the spreadsheets and charts might be useful for most people to see and predict how they go from one color to another, it would make almost no sense to write code which WORKED in this fashion. It would be obscure, and frankly a coding clusterf***. While it is easier to SEE it as walking a color tree, there is a SYSTEM in place. A mathematical formula which determines what color you arrive at, we just haven't figured it out yet. But this theory seems extremely promising.

I completely agree that there has to be a mathematical formula in place that determines the resulting color of a chocobo. The spreadsheet I made does pretty well at predicting several chocobo colors, especially ones that occur from the Desert Yellow color. I've used it to hop around to a few colors I wanted to as well. However, there are several accounts from people that I cannot duplicate. Some questions I'm really trying the answer to are:


How does each fruit affect the R,G, and B of the chocobo?

I'm currently under the impression that the fruits have the following effects:
Xelphatol Apple: R(+) | G(-) | B(-)
Doman Plum: R(-) | G(+) | B(+)
Mamook Pear: R(-) | G(+) | B(-)
Valfruit: R(+) | G(-) | B(+)
O'Ghomoro Berry: R(-) | G(-) | B(+)
Cieldales Pineapple:R(+) | G(+) | B(-)

I'm not 100% confident on these effects. Furthermore, I think we can agree that when you feed your chocobo, the effect from a single fruit has some RNG involved. For example, I believe when you feed your chocobo an apple, the result is something like R(+4), G(-2), B(-5). This RNG must be in place because of all the account of people getting such variable results from feeding just berries to their chocobo from Desert Yellow. However, this brings me to my next question.

Based on the current R,G,B value, how does SE determine what dye your chocobo should be?

I believed I had some good hypothesis, but there is one result I just simply cannot duplicate. There are multiple account of people feeding an enormous amount of apples to their chocobo and the result is always Blood Red. Using the effects on R,B,G from the fruits above, a large supply of apples will always have the same result, that is (255/0/0).

I cannot mathematically determine how this R,B,G (255/0/0) combination chooses the dye Blood Red. I've tried calculating minimum distances to the points in a 3D cartisian system. I've tried summing the absolute value of the differences between the R,B,G values of every dye. No matter what I try, I cannot get Blood Red to be the foremost dye that should be chosen for an ungodly amount of apples.

The last question I'm trying to find the answer for, just out of curiousity is...

Does stable condition affect the potency of the fruits fed to the chocobo?

For example, does a poor condition stable cause fruits to have less effect on your chocobo, and vice versa with good conditions?

Either way, there must be some mathematical way to determine how fruit will change our chocobo colors ... right?

[Angelusdemonus]

Royal Blue + Apples can = Regal Purple (most common), Abyssal Blue (uncommon) or Midnight Blue (seems rare, happened to my hubby last night. No others reports of it)

Survey says: Midnight Blue.

Midnight Blue --> Used 1 Apple = ???.

Gonna get through a few colors first before next post. I was almost tempted to just go soot black for the giggles.

[Ravenloft]

How does each fruit affect the R,G, and B of the chocobo?

I'm currently under the impression that the fruits have the following effects:
Xelphatol Apple: R(+) | G(-) | B(-)
Doman Plum: R(-) | G(+) | B(+)
Mamook Pear: R(-) | G(+) | B(-)
Valfruit: R(+) | G(-) | B(+)
O'Ghomoro Berry: R(-) | G(-) | B(+)
Cieldales Pineapple:R(+) | G(+) | B(-)

I'm not 100% confident on these effects. Furthermore, I think we can agree that when you feed your chocobo, the effect from a single fruit has some RNG involved. For example, I believe when you feed your chocobo an apple, the result is something like R(+4), G(-2), B(-5). This RNG must be in place because of all the account of people getting such variable results from feeding just berries to their chocobo from Desert Yellow. However, this brings me to my next question.

I agree with you completely on the fruit effects and the RNG involved. Mostly everything I've done supports that. Except for what you say in your second part, and I don't have an answer for that either. It doesn't make sense.

[Ravenloft]

Survey says: Midnight Blue.

LOL. Oh well. Just chalk it up to more Choco dyeing craziness.

[Zomb]

Ok so I gave up on experimenting from Dalamud Red, since everything but berries seems to take you back to Blood Red.

Did Dalamud Red + Berries > Rolanberry Red
Then
Rolanberry Red + Berries >Abyssal Blue

Keep in mind that I'm only feeding fruits until I receive the new feathers message, then I stop. According to the map I should have gotten Midnight Blue or Royal Blue.

Would feeding more berries @Abyssal Blue give me midnight blue?

[Anonymoose]

Valfruit from Dalamud Red: Dalamud Red > Blood Red > Dalamud Red .. yes, hello another loop!

Seeing as you're doing lots of loops near where I'm trying to get to, I'd like to ask: My plan has been to follow the Chocobo Color Planner chart from this thread from Desert Yellow to Grape Purple. Once I get to Blood Red, from your experiments in that color area, what do you think is the safest first-guess path through Dalamud Red and Rolanberry Red to Grape Purple? Just berries, berries, pear as the chart suggests and let you guys know if it goes awry?

[Sadana]

I'm just not sure what to make of all these wacky results we're getting. Things seemed to mostly follow certain paths for a while, now, I'm just left confused and annoyed. :/