Chocobo Dye Experimentation

[Tyrfina]

The form works by calculating distances between points in 3 dimensional space with minimums and maximums set at 0 and 255, respectively. I treat RED, GREEN, and BLUE as x, y, and z coordinates. ... As we move, the spreadsheet calculates the distance to the CLOSEST dye.

That's awesome. I actually contemplated what the colors/fruits system would look like in a 3 dimensional cartesian coordinate system, but i didn't have the time yet to examine the observational data to validate the hypothesis. What kind of accuracy are you getting?

So far from what I can see, the colours are presets with RNG involved. Yes, these presets seem to be based on RGB but it's not exact -at all-.

While I can't tell you if Boomerz's approach is correct, I can say that it is a step in the right direction. From a programmer's perspective (me): while the spreadsheets and charts might be useful for most people to see and predict how they go from one color to another, it would make almost no sense to write code which WORKED in this fashion. It would be obscure, and frankly a coding clusterf***. While it is easier to SEE it as walking a color tree, there is a SYSTEM in place. A mathematical formula which determines what color you arrive at, we just haven't figured it out yet. But this theory seems extremely promising.

[Boomerz]

While I can't tell you if Boomerz's approach is correct, I can say that it is a step in the right direction. From a programmer's perspective (me): while the spreadsheets and charts might be useful for most people to see and predict how they go from one color to another, it would make almost no sense to write code which WORKED in this fashion. It would be obscure, and frankly a coding clusterf***. While it is easier to SEE it as walking a color tree, there is a SYSTEM in place. A mathematical formula which determines what color you arrive at, we just haven't figured it out yet. But this theory seems extremely promising.

I completely agree that there has to be a mathematical formula in place that determines the resulting color of a chocobo. The spreadsheet I made does pretty well at predicting several chocobo colors, especially ones that occur from the Desert Yellow color. I've used it to hop around to a few colors I wanted to as well. However, there are several accounts from people that I cannot duplicate. Some questions I'm really trying the answer to are:


How does each fruit affect the R,G, and B of the chocobo?

I'm currently under the impression that the fruits have the following effects:
Xelphatol Apple: R(+) | G(-) | B(-)
Doman Plum: R(-) | G(+) | B(+)
Mamook Pear: R(-) | G(+) | B(-)
Valfruit: R(+) | G(-) | B(+)
O'Ghomoro Berry: R(-) | G(-) | B(+)
Cieldales Pineapple:R(+) | G(+) | B(-)

I'm not 100% confident on these effects. Furthermore, I think we can agree that when you feed your chocobo, the effect from a single fruit has some RNG involved. For example, I believe when you feed your chocobo an apple, the result is something like R(+4), G(-2), B(-5). This RNG must be in place because of all the account of people getting such variable results from feeding just berries to their chocobo from Desert Yellow. However, this brings me to my next question.

Based on the current R,G,B value, how does SE determine what dye your chocobo should be?

I believed I had some good hypothesis, but there is one result I just simply cannot duplicate. There are multiple account of people feeding an enormous amount of apples to their chocobo and the result is always Blood Red. Using the effects on R,B,G from the fruits above, a large supply of apples will always have the same result, that is (255/0/0).

I cannot mathematically determine how this R,B,G (255/0/0) combination chooses the dye Blood Red. I've tried calculating minimum distances to the points in a 3D cartisian system. I've tried summing the absolute value of the differences between the R,B,G values of every dye. No matter what I try, I cannot get Blood Red to be the foremost dye that should be chosen for an ungodly amount of apples.

The last question I'm trying to find the answer for, just out of curiousity is...

Does stable condition affect the potency of the fruits fed to the chocobo?

For example, does a poor condition stable cause fruits to have less effect on your chocobo, and vice versa with good conditions?

Either way, there must be some mathematical way to determine how fruit will change our chocobo colors ... right?

[Ravenloft]

How does each fruit affect the R,G, and B of the chocobo?

I'm currently under the impression that the fruits have the following effects:
Xelphatol Apple: R(+) | G(-) | B(-)
Doman Plum: R(-) | G(+) | B(+)
Mamook Pear: R(-) | G(+) | B(-)
Valfruit: R(+) | G(-) | B(+)
O'Ghomoro Berry: R(-) | G(-) | B(+)
Cieldales Pineapple:R(+) | G(+) | B(-)

I'm not 100% confident on these effects. Furthermore, I think we can agree that when you feed your chocobo, the effect from a single fruit has some RNG involved. For example, I believe when you feed your chocobo an apple, the result is something like R(+4), G(-2), B(-5). This RNG must be in place because of all the account of people getting such variable results from feeding just berries to their chocobo from Desert Yellow. However, this brings me to my next question.

I agree with you completely on the fruit effects and the RNG involved. Mostly everything I've done supports that. Except for what you say in your second part, and I don't have an answer for that either. It doesn't make sense.

[tymora]

I can confirm this:

Xelphatol Apple: R(+) | G(-) | B(-)
Doman Plum: R(-) | G(+) | B(+)
Mamook Pear: R(-) | G(+) | B(-)
Valfruit: R(+) | G(-) | B(+)
O'Ghomoro Berry: R(-) | G(-) | B(+)
Cieldales Pineapple:R(+) | G(+) | B(-)

Target Color = Midnight Blue or Soot Black

Feed 1: 10 Berries, 5 Pears
Desert Yellow (219/180/87) -> Meadow Green (139/156/99)

Feed 2: 1 Apple, 1 Berry, 1 Pear
No change in color

Messages (using A for Apple, B for Berry, P for Pear):
1A (no other messages)
-> This suggests that going back to the original color does not give a message.

Feed 3: 4 Apple, 4 Plum, 12 Berry
Meadow Green (139/156/99) -> Raptor Blue (91/127/192)
Made a mistake with the Plums...

Messages (Total of 18 feather messages)
2B, 1A, 1P, 1B, 1A, 1P, 1B, 1B, 1A, 1P, 1B, 1B, 1A, 1P, 1B, 1B, 1B, 1B

Feed 4: 4 Apple, 2 Pear, 2 Berry
Raptor Blue (91/127/192) -> Ceruleum Blue (79/87/102)

Messages (Total of 8 feather messages)
1A. 1A. 1A. 1A, 1P, 1P, 1B, 1B

Feed 5: 4 Apple, 4 Pear, 4 Berry
Ceruleum Blue (79/87/102) -> Gloom Purple (81/69/96)

Messages (Total of 11 feather messages)
1A, 1A, 1A, 1A, 1P, 1P, 1P, 1P, 2B, 1B, 1B

Feed 6: 4 Apple, 4 Pear, 4 Berry
Gloom Purple (81/69/96) -> Royal Blue (39/48/103)

Messages (Total of 10 feather messages)
1P, 1P, 1P, 1P, 1A, 1A, 2A 1B, 1B 1B 1B

Feed 7: 4 Apple, 4 Pear, 3 Berry
Royal Blue (39/48/103) -> Abyssal Blue (49/45/87)

Messages (Total of 6 feather messages)
3B 3A, 1P, 1P, 1P, 1P, 1A

Feed 8: 4 Apple, 4 Pear, 3 Berry
Abyssal Blue (49/45/87) -> Midnight Blue (24/25/55)

Messages (Total of 10 feather messages)
2A, 1P, 1P, 1A, 1A, 1P, 1P, 1B, 1B, 1B

~End~

[AttacKat]

Target Color = Midnight Blue or Soot Black

Feed 1: 10 Berries, 5 Pears
Feed 2: 1 Apple, 1 Berry, 1 Pear
Feed 3: 4 Apple, 4 Plum, 12 Berry
Feed 4: 4 Apple, 2 Pear, 2 Berry
Feed 5: 4 Apple, 4 Pear, 4 Berry
Feed 6: 4 Apple, 4 Pear, 4 Berry
Feed 7: 4 Apple, 4 Pear, 3 Berry
Feed 8: 4 Apple, 4 Pear, 3 Berry

What made you to feed this way? Like to know.