Chocobo Dye Experimentation

[Hulan]

For my first experiment, I wanted to use one food and see what color my bird would come to first by feeding it until I got the "<name> is beginning to grow new feathers!" message. I then wanted to use the fruit of the opposite effect to try and take my bird back to Desert Yellow. I started by fdeding my bird Doman Plums (Lightenss Red hues) until I got the "<name> is beginning to grow new feathers!" message. It took 5 Plums to get this message and the result was a Sylph Green bird. I then tried to get my bird back to the base Desert Yellow by feeding him Xelphatol Apples (Deepens Red hues), it took only one apple to get the "<name> is beginning to grow new feathers!" message, and the result was Desert Yellow. My bird is Rank 8 and the stable conditions were Good.

This result is extremely exciting. I'm afraid I do not have the time nor the liquid assets to make a serious contribution to the actual experimentation, but I will throw out ideas where I can. Though I am afraid I am in large part responsible for the current obsession with the RGB scale (I know how much you hate this idea). I was one of the primary originators of the RGB/CMY color scale theory. That being said, I am far from married to that idea, and it clearly is flawed or at least incomplete.

Your observation that Lighten and Deepen steps negate each other is mathematically extremely powerful. If the theory

Color1 + FruitStep = Color2 == Color2 - FruitStep = Color1
Where FruitStep is a single step in a direction 
and - FruitStep is a single step using the opposite fruit

holds true, that implies a direct relation between a Color and the number of steps in each direction.

I strongly believe that there is no random nature within the colouring itself. The random factor appears based on the number of messages displayed. If each fruit has a 30% chance of causing a change, there will be a noticeable variance in the result (based on the number and type of fruit). I believe, however, that the actual change caused by a single "Step" is constant and predictable.

Also, I believe it is important to note that based on what other users have reported, it must be possible to perform multiple steps in a single direction per feeding. It would be impossible to have seen the variety of browns that we have seen from O'Ghomoro Berry feeding without it being possible. Many of the different values of brown were reported as single feedings before the 12 hour mark after the first batch of fruit appeared on the market (meaning it must have been a single feeding).

[lvicious]

Many of the different values of brown were reported as single feedings before the 12 hour mark after the first batch of fruit appeared on the market (meaning it must have been a single feeding).

Man I love this theoretical stuff with mmorpg's. Yes that ^ is correct as that is exactly what happened to me.

[ZReport]

This result is extremely exciting. I'm afraid I do not have the time nor the liquid assets to make a serious contribution to the actual experimentation, but I will throw out ideas where I can. Though I am afraid I am in large part responsible for the current obsession with the RGB scale (I know how much you hate this idea). I was one of the primary originators of the RGB/CMY color scale theory. That being said, I am far from married to that idea, and it clearly is flawed or at least incomplete.

Your observation that Lighten and Deepen steps negate each other is mathematically extremely powerful. If the theory

Color1 + FruitStep = Color2 == Color2 - FruitStep = Color1
Where FruitStep is a single step in a direction 
and - FruitStep is a single step using the opposite fruit

holds true, that implies a direct relation between a Color and the number of steps in each direction.

I strongly believe that there is no random nature within the colouring itself. The random factor appears based on the number of messages displayed. If each fruit has a 30% chance of causing a change, there will be a noticeable variance in the result (based on the number and type of fruit). I believe, however, that the actual change caused by a single "Step" is constant and predictable.

Also, I believe it is important to note that based on what other users have reported, it must be possible to perform multiple steps in a single direction per feeding. It would be impossible to have seen the variety of browns that we have seen from O'Ghomoro Berry feeding without it being possible. Many of the different values of brown were reported as single feedings before the 12 hour mark after the first batch of fruit appeared on the market (meaning it must have been a single feeding).

I just saw this quote and came to the exact same conclusion, considering my previous two posts. What should happen now is that someone should document players who feed and stop once the message is given, and record the step in either direction on the color scale. It should be of note that due to adding other colors, the dye chart would no longer go in a straight direction steps negative or positive, but might jump to another scale completely.

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If I break down my own Bird's changes between my first two feedings:

Desert Yellow (First Feed START)
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Shale Brown (7th Message; Second Feed START)
???
???
???
???
???
???
???
???
???
Lavender Purple (10th Message)

I only used O'Ghomoro Berries so there shouldn't be any wacky deviations. Every "???" is a "starts to grow new feathers" message. Another hypothesis that could come from this is that you may be able to achieve Soot Black by only feeding one type of darkening fruit. A counter to this theory is that it might have a cap, being the darkest color of the scale that's not Soot Black. Soot Black might also be on it's own scale as well. Soot black isn't even a pure black, just a very dark grey.

[Schaeffa]

Desert Yellow (First Feed START)
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Shale Brown (7th Message; Second Feed START)
???
???
???
???
???
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???
???
???
Lavender Purple (10th Message)

I only used O'Ghomoro Berries so there shouldn't be any wacky deviations. Every "???" is a "starts to grow new feathers" message.

Alright! Piggy-backing off of ZReport's data, I wanted to see if it takes the same amount of berries to hit Lavender if I feed them all in one go, so I just fed mine until I received 17 new feather messages. Will report back tomorrow morning. =)

[Schaeffa]

Alright! Piggy-backing off of ZReport's data, I wanted to see if it takes the same amount of berries to hit Lavender if I feed them all in one go, so I just fed mine until I received 17 new feather messages. Will report back tomorrow morning. =)

Finally was able to get back online after that PSN nonsense. 17 feather procs with berries gave me Raptor Blue.

Will update this with chat log screens later on.
EDIT: Here are the chat logs from the feeding and the results. And an in-game image of Beelzebub.

[Aldora]

I strongly believe that there is no random nature within the colouring itself. The random factor appears based on the number of messages displayed. If each fruit has a 30% chance of causing a change, there will be a noticeable variance in the result (based on the number and type of fruit). I believe, however, that the actual change caused by a single "Step" is constant and predictable.

I was thinking the same thing.

Next to that, i want to try and make a relation between the original color and the color returned through the process of 1 feeding session. That way, i want to see if there is a logical direction you can take in order to get the desired color with the least amount of feather shedding. (^_~ )

Also, I believe it is important to note that based on what other users have reported, it must be possible to perform multiple steps in a single direction per feeding. It would be impossible to have seen the variety of browns that we have seen from O'Ghomoro Berry feeding without it being possible. Many of the different values of brown were reported as single feedings before the 12 hour mark after the first batch of fruit appeared on the market (meaning it must have been a single feeding).

And to back this up, i want to check if it’s possible to make a matrix representation which displays a path to take in order to get from Color X to Color Y.