Rogue/Ninja Starting Class?

[silentwindfr]

People who have FFXI mechanics weighing heavily in their mind need to realize this game is straying far from that method. This game is more along the lines of Wow progression with some Asian grind flavor. Redundant mechanics that prevent people from enjoying the core of the game be it class or race are moot as these barriers don't exist for all players new or old.

wow...Death Knight? needed to have a character already 55 and restart a new character for have it.


i will be rude for one time... all i see here are stupid reason to simply ignore the lore of the game for bring... a new snowflake to kids that don't really care for the lore.

Race it's normal, but even that, you will need to pay the expansion for get acces to it. but class by itself are a different stuff, you are talking of grind and barrier, where i only see lore and logical progression in the release of a content not included at the start of the game.

where i see the new race have rogue as basic class possible (because they will be doman after all), i don't see why Eorzean will get acces to something Rare as rogue and extremely secret, to the point that even Thancred was trying to hide it by saying that it was a bard. (wasn't very convincing anyway)

anyway, the story is like this, in the 2.2 quest line, Yugiri talk to offer to teach adventurer the skill from the doman. how explain an Eorzean to know already the skill of rogue that she will teach us?

it's not a huge barrier, it's called story progression.

ps: i have played FF11, true, but believe only one thing i want to see bring back from FF11 are the progression in the story and how it affect what we unlock. Rogue, mustn't be a basic class, it's a secretive class, it must be unlocked through your progression and i do hope it will be the same for the new class and jobs from the 3.0. new player have already tons of stuff to do and try... the fact to have a few class to unlock later it's a better reason to play.

[Tupsi]

People who have FFXI mechanics weighing heavily in their mind need to realize this game is straying far from that method.

FFXI - Start with 6 Base Classes.
FFXI - Hit level 30, unlock the ability to gain advanced jobs through quests, some tougher than others.

FFXIV - Start with base classes, quests to unlock other base classes like gathering/crafting.
FFXIV - Hit level 30 on base class, via quests, unlock jobs once you hit 30.

It's pretty much the same as XI with the exception you can't even switch from the class you start as till you progress a bit in the story. Also take into consideration, the fact you mention 'Asian Grinder' and not realize most asian mmos tend to have you jump through hoops to unlock a newly released class if you have the ability to switch means you're more just upset about the fact someone mentioned XI, as usual.

Most MMOs with 1:1 for class/character you can start as a newly released job/class on a new character if your previous characters fufils x,y,z requirements - look at TERA online, their recently added Reaper class you had to hit a level requirement and do a quest, you couldn't just start as it.

[Giantbane]

FFXI - Start with 6 Base Classes.
FFXI - Hit level 30, unlock the ability to gain advanced jobs through quests, some tougher than others.

FFXIV - Start with base classes, quests to unlock other base classes like gathering/crafting.
FFXIV - Hit level 30 on base class, via quests, unlock jobs once you hit 30.

It's pretty much the same as XI with the exception you can't even switch from the class you start as till you progress a bit in the story. Also take into consideration, the fact you mention 'Asian Grinder' and not realize most asian mmos tend to have you jump through hoops to unlock a newly released class if you have the ability to switch means you're more just upset about the fact someone mentioned XI, as usual.

Most MMOs with 1:1 for class/character you can start as a newly released job/class on a new character if your previous characters fufils x,y,z requirements - look at TERA online, their recently added Reaper class you had to hit a level requirement and do a quest, you couldn't just start as it.

FFXI - 6 base jobs
FFXI - spend weeks(at least) leveling to 30 to unlock different jobs that all use completely different abilities and often focus on completely different weapons.

FFXIV - All combat classes available to start with. All of them.
FFXIV - spend hours leveling to 10 to unlock switching between your original class and the other classes you already chose not to start with
FFXIV - spend hours leveling to 10 to unlock the supplemental Gathering/Crafting classes (which is just an Armory system wrapper for crafting, so that's not really pertinent to the discussion)
FFXIV - spend a week (maybe) to level to 30 and a day leveling to 15 in a completely different class in order to unlock job specializations that play nearly identical to the base class, use the exact same weapon type, but has a few extra abilities.

It's not the same thing at all.

[SDaemon]

wow...Death Knight? needed to have a character already 55 and restart a new character for have it.

And once you made your super awesome DK and did their super awesome intro storyline, what happened? You were dumped in BC era story and content. DK from WoW is a horrible example for why rog/nin should be held off till people progress passed 2.2 story.

[lololink]

FFXI - Start with 6 Base Classes.
FFXI - Hit level 30, unlock the ability to gain advanced jobs through quests, some tougher than others.

FFXIV - Start with base classes, quests to unlock other base classes like gathering/crafting.
FFXIV - Hit level 30 on base class, via quests, unlock jobs once you hit 30.

It's pretty much the same as XI with the exception you can't even switch from the class you start as till you progress a bit in the story.

That's not the same at all, especially considering how the classes are in this game, jobs are mostly a buff to your class.
Unlocking a job in FFXI = start from 0 while unlocking a job in FFXIV = get a buff.

[Dhex]

You couldn't start as a Rogue.

Jobs are unlocked at level 30. You can't complete the 2.0/2.1/2.2/2.3 storylines until you're lv50. You could be a Ninja before Yugiri and the Doman people exist in that (your) universe yet... before the conflicts in Ul'dah are explained and so on - so unless they somehow retcon the entire storyline...

It'd be hella messy.

[lololink]

You couldn't start as a Rogue.

Jobs are unlocked at level 30. You can't complete the 2.0/2.1/2.2/2.3 storylines until you're lv50. You could be a Ninja before Yugiri and the Doman people exist in that (your) universe yet... before the conflicts in Ul'dah are explained and so on - so unless they somehow retcon the entire storyline...

It'd be hella messy.

Not really we could have access to the Rogue class without it being messy with the story and the ninja master can be a domian that came before the others for some reason. It doesn't have to be linked to Yugiri.

[Giantbane]

You couldn't start as a Rogue.

Jobs are unlocked at level 30. You can't complete the 2.0/2.1/2.2/2.3 storylines until you're lv50. You could be a Ninja before Yugiri and the Doman people exist in that (your) universe yet... before the conflicts in Ul'dah are explained and so on - so unless they somehow retcon the entire storyline...

It'd be hella messy.

Or they could just retcon the whole thing because ... who cares?

[SDaemon]

Not really we could have access to the Rogue class without it being messy with the story and the ninja master can be a domian that came before the others for some reason. It doesn't have to be linked to Yugiri.

Or people can just live with a suspension of plot till their character catches up with the current story. No different than DKs or Pandaren/Monks in WoW. Nothing your character does has impact on how the linear story plays out.

[Dhex]

Not really we could have access to the Rogue class without it being messy with the story and the ninja master can be a domian that came before the others for some reason. It doesn't have to be linked to Yugiri.

AKA a retcon - because ya'know... storyline and direct statements from Thancred & Yugiri would need to be removed.

1) Retcon the entire storyline, or do lore gymnastics.

2) Advanced Class and new players just have to deal with leveling to 50 and completing some story before they can get it.

3) I'm Square Enix and I retcon shit all the time. (See: RotZ, CoP, WotG)