Rogue/Ninja Starting Class?

[Reynhart]

You are taking the "There is much we might learn from one another, I think" and turning that into her opening up a Dojo, which given that Jobs in this game don't have headquarters/guilds is even more implausible.

You forgot one sentence "Ere long, I hope to be imparting my martial knowledge to the people of Eorzea. When that time comes, it would be an honor to welcome you as a student"
So, she clearly said she'll teach the Ninja arts. I think the "Dojo" term comes from the french translation, that actually uses the word.

Again this strange thought that somehow Yoshida, who loves making things more accessible to new players, will introduce the ability to have the NIN job and then say, "Oh, and by the way you have to have reached lvl 50 and beat the entire main scenario up to and including Levi HM, before you can actually get this highly hyped job you may have bought the game to play!"

Sorry for using the dreaded W-word but..."Oh, and by the way, you have to have reached lvl55 and beat a whole lot of quests before you can actually play a Death Knight you have bought the expansion to play".
And if you look back at FFXI, even if you could unlock any job at level 30, some quest actually required you to travel in HL zones.

[MirielleLavandre]

And if you look back at FFXI, even if you could unlock any job at level 30, some quest actually required you to travel in HL zones.

Yes, but for those jobs (COR, PUP, and DNC) you were able to use oils/powders (or just change to /WHM) to avoid all of the mobs in the areas you had to go. This allowed level 30s to go to those zones and basically sneak to points to get the jobs, which almost everyone did. Here, we don't have those mechanics. I never played WoW, though - but that sounds like it must've upset a few people.

I think the point I'm making is, if they gate NIN behind 2.3, then new players who want to play this job, or even currently people new to 50, cannot get it unless they beat ifrit HM, garuda HM, titan HM, King mog, and Levi HM. There is no precedent for releasing a job with that kind of requirement. It's like them releasing Dancer in FFXI but saying you had to have access to Sky to get it...

[silentwindfr]

I think the point I'm making is, if they gate NIN behind 2.3, then new players who want to play this job, or even currently people new to 50, cannot get it unless they beat ifrit HM, garuda HM, titan HM, King mog, and Levi HM. There is no precedent for releasing a job with that kind of requirement. It's like them releasing Dancer in FFXI but saying you had to have access to Sky to get it...

ok stop there, the story don't involve ifrit, garuda, titan HM, they are secondary quest. not link to the story quest...
Mog HM was nerfed badly and it's extremely easy to do it now, levi is a big joke, like Ramuh... nothing in the story is hard, i do have a friend that did get him 50 recently and did all the story quest in 1-2 day... wasn't long nor hard...

finally, like said before, you need to do the story quest for get acces at all the progression anyway and more important it's a game mostly focus on the story!

i want to add something that seems to be forget a lot, a new player is new until 50 after it's a player... them goal is to keep the player the longer on the game, make the rogue ninja ask to get the story done until a point serve this purpose, then it's not that weird.

ps: i will not be shocked if i discover that you need to have a certain class to 30 for unlock the rogue.

[Reynhart]

It's like them releasing Dancer in FFXI but saying you had to have access to Sky to get it...

In FFXI, you couldn't "start" as a DNC. And you had to buy the expansion.
For DRG, you had to advance your rank to have acces to Bostaunieux. And you had to buy the expansion.
And you had to be level 30 so that you can level up back from 1 in a totally different job, which, by the way, took far longer in FFXI that clearing 2.2 in FFXIV.

As of now, you already can't start as "any" class (Gatherers and Crafters, for example), and if you want to play a class in a different city, you have to level enough to travel on foot, on progress the storyline enough to travel by airship.

[Giantbane]

And if you look back at FFXI, even if you could unlock any job at level 30, some quest actually required you to travel in HL zones.

FFXI is a bad comparison. It was more of a hardcore game where that kind of stuff was appropriate.

FFXIV is much more casual and I can't see them following this. I will be very surprised if you can't just start a new character as a rogue. And I really hope they do let you start as a Rogue. I have a couple friends that are interested because of the short NIN gameplay video, I don't think they'd be interested in starting as anything else.

[Tupsi]

FFXI is a bad comparison. It was more of a hardcore game where that kind of stuff was appropriate.

FFXIV is much more casual and I can't see them following this.

It already does.

In XIV you can't unlock jobs unless you hit level 30 - Them releasing new classes and jobs post launch would still make sense to have you unlock the class as you're progressing. It's just like all previous iterations of XIV - you could start as any, but you later would have to do quests to unlock them. You couldn't even switch classes until you did quests/storyline in ARR, unlike XI where all you had to do was go to your mog house from the get go and just switch.

So if your friends wouldn't be interested in anything else, that's tough, as unlike XI, you have to level x,y classes to get the job - in XI having certain subs made sense but were in no way a requirement to even unlock.

[JakzChurchill]

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You could go as far to say this is more set up to the casual player. By setting it so you can't change classes till 15 it gives the player 15 levels to understand the basics of the game and its mechanics. By setting the job to 30 the player has more advanced knowledge of their class and has all the information they need to quickly level there second class to the required level for the job. Unlike in XI where it's here's all the things, now well leave the rest to the trusty fans to make wikis with this information.

Either way SE will look at this from a PR point, Ninja being introduced is great bit of PR to entice new subs. While also finding a way to integrate the class/job into the story retroactively without doing a dis-justice to the lore already in place is also gonna help PR from a word of mouth stand point. (if current player base are bitching that the story has no integrity it's going to give off a bad vibe to new players.)

[Giantbane]

FFXI is a bad comparison. It was more of a hardcore game where that kind of stuff was appropriate.

FFXIV is much more casual and I can't see them following this. I will be very surprised if you can't just start a new character as a rogue. And I really hope they do let you start as a Rogue. I have a couple friends that are interested because of the short NIN gameplay video, I don't think they'd be interested in starting as anything else.

It already does.

In XIV you can't unlock jobs unless you hit level 30 - Them releasing new classes and jobs post launch would still make sense to have you unlock the class as you're progressing. It's just like all previous iterations of XIV - you could start as any, but you later would have to do quests to unlock them. You couldn't even switch classes until you did quests/storyline in ARR, unlike XI where all you had to do was go to your mog house from the get go and just switch.

So if your friends wouldn't be interested in anything else, that's tough, as unlike XI, you have to level x,y classes to get the job - in XI having certain subs made sense but were in no way a requirement to even unlock.

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[Lucke]

Ok, so how long does it take to level to 50? 3-4 days? How long would it take to get up to the 2.3 story? Well, if you do the main story as you level up, I'd say no more than a week to get access to ROG/NIN, and that's being ultra generous. If you really wanna be efficient, spend 2 seconds finding out what subclasses NIN needs to be unlocked and level them up to 15 (which takes a couple hours) along with your main class.

[JakzChurchill]

Ok, so how long does it take to level to 50? 3-4 days? How long would it take to get up to the 2.3 story?

LOL seriously? The idea behind this is that people new to the game can jump straight into Ninja, for everyone else whos progressed beyond 50 it's doesn't really apply. A new player with no outside help will not hit 50 in 3 - 4 days, infact I'd be willing to bet it would take most new subs the better part of a month.

Now it begs the question will people really sub just because they added a ninja class? Well yes, especially one so heavily based off the Naruto universe shinobi, I'm sure a few people would hear a Naruto style class is in this game and be tempted to give it a go. in fact thats probably one reason they based it so heavily on the Naruto ninjitsu style.

ps; on that note did anyone notice the Naruto references in the ninja combat gameplay video, someone pointed it out on Reddit was pretty funny tbf.