Rogue/Ninja Starting Class?

[Yamimarik]

Thanks for that. I must have missed where this was stated. That pretty much answers my questions and I'm sorry for bringin it up again when It's already been answered. Looking forward to patch 2.4 and beyond!

That's just his theory from another thread. It isn't actual lore just yet. We really don't know anything until 2.4, but in all honesty I could see it going either way. Either we have to wait till your at that certain point (At least for NIN if Yugiri is the NIN npc) to obtain this class/job. Or they just start you out as Rogue and make up new lore as to why it's ok for Ninja to be apart of it from the beginning. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Radacci]

Wouldn't that cause a paradox? I mean, say you're a new character and you level up Rog/NIN first. You're a NIN when Yugiri is talking about teaching Eorzeans how to be ROG/NIN...but you're there already a NIN....

Why would it be a paradox? I'm sure Yugiri isn't the only Ninja, in the entire world.
There's only supposed to be 1 dragoon at any one time....but that's not how the game works.
For Rogues...well you simply were part of the ROG guild, before 2.2 events. As for Nin..well, you were nin before Yugiri arrived...
Or you meeting Yugiri, to become nin, takes place at roughly the same time as 2.2 events, even if you personally haven't gotten that far in the story. You don't necessarily have to follow a strict chronological order. Happens quite frequently, that authors write stories, where events are jumping around in different timelines. There's some movies, where everything happens from ending to beginning. In XIV, we're jumping around a lot to, with echo scenes.
So if someone is starting in 2.4, you can simply call their 2.0-2.4 journey, as flashback, and becoming ninja, is current time.
Lots of ways to resolve the issue

[MageBlack]

Why would it be a paradox? I'm sure Yugiri isn't the only Ninja, in the entire world.
There's only supposed to be 1 dragoon at any one time....but that's not how the game works.
For Rogues...well you simply were part of the ROG guild, before 2.2 events. As for Nin..well, you were nin before Yugiri arrived...
Or you meeting Yugiri, to become nin, takes place at roughly the same time as 2.2 events, even if you personally haven't gotten that far in the story. You don't necessarily have to follow a strict chronological order. Happens quite frequently, that authors write stories, where events are jumping around in different timelines. There's some movies, where everything happens from ending to beginning. In XIV, we're jumping around a lot to, with echo scenes.
So if someone is starting in 2.4, you can simply call their 2.0-2.4 journey, as flashback, and becoming ninja, is current time.
Lots of ways to resolve the issue

I think the only way it would be a paradox is how they acted suprised to see someone use the others skills, It wouldnt be a surprise if the "Warrior of Light" had been doing it this whole time.

But, that being said, each class/job does have its own storyline that it follows so, if it was cleverly written, it could be there from the beginning.

I love theorycrafting but I'll have to agree with Yamimarik in that we will probably have to just wait for 2.4 before we can know for sure. I do feel at some point though at least the Rogue will be a starting class. Not sure about the 3.0 classes, they may be reserved for higher leveled players and something for new players to shoot for, just like a Job is.

[Rbstr]

IIRC the story doesn't have to proceed exactly the same for all characters - they can tweak it a bit. The Yugiri/Thancred dialogue may be adjusted if you've unlocked/started as rogue.

[Alberel]

It was made pretty plain in 2.2 that Yugiri was the first Ninja to offer to train anyone in Eorzea seeing as she said she would start teaching graduates of the rogues guild and no one had seen her fighting style before. Why would she offer such a thing if the Eorzeans already had it? Why would they accept her offer in such surprise if they already had it? Why are there no Ninjas in Eorzea already if Yugiri is not the first? I don't understand why people are trying to make up reasons why it would be possible to unlock NIN before doing that story quest when it so plainly makes zero sense.

Considering that FFXI gated ALL but the six starting jobs behind storyline quests (i.e if you wanted to be a SMN you had to start as another job and unlock SMN later) I see it going the same way here. It would just make zero sense for anyone to be able to become a ninja before they'd completed the quest that actually introduces ninjas to Eorzea. It'll be the same for any new classes in Ishgard in the expansion.

At a stretch I could see the Rogue being available to new players but even that guild had kept itself hidden until Yugiri made her offer and again it would make no sense when that player reached the 2.2 story to have the 'revelation' of the rogue's guild after they'd been a part of it since the start.

[JakzChurchill]

From a lore standpoint it is very true that making it a starting class would be detrimental to the story. In fact I could see the Rogue guild being completely empty until you progress further enough into the story, or else you'd have the same issue.

From the MMO standpoint, it makes sense to open this class from the get go, as some people may join the game because they heard ninja was coming, or like to keep to one class and want that to be NIN.

There is the option of your opening cutscene when you start the game as rogue involving you coming from doma then using some form of time travel so you relive the events, with the ninja story tying into why you'd need to travel back to that specific time.

Honestly I don't think the creators would want to add something that went against the story they are trying to tell, so I think you will have to progress far enough through the main quest to unlock Rogue but in the end it could go either way and it's up to the devs.

[lololink]

There is the option of your opening cutscene when you start the game as rogue involving you coming from doma then using some form of time travel so you relive the events, with the ninja story tying into why you'd need to travel back to that specific time.

Rogues doesn't come from Doma...

[Haibel]

What you two said makes sense. And ya, I'm pretty sure Thancred will be the class leader.

Not necessarily true. Even though Y'shtola is a Cnj, she has no part of the story or leadership of the guild.

[JakzChurchill]

Rogues doesn't come from Doma...

I was looking at it from the Ninja perspective, as a very quick crappy idea of a way around the paradox. (something i tried to add but the character limit wouldn't let me)

My point on that being you can't gate one or the other off, and if you want to keep it faithful to the lore but at the same time allow to be open from the get go you need to use a method that involves meeting the ninjas before they are around. ala time travel. (infact screw that, time travel is not needed see below idea)

but let me rejig my crappy side step idea;

start the game as a Doman sent to the Rogue guild to see the differences between the Eorzean and Doman styles. For "plot related reason" Yugiri wants you to arrive before her and gather this information, once you have learnt all you can you start sending that info to the Doman Ninjas (guild being an instanced area out of Eorzea).

Just saying there is some crappy cop out ways of side stepping the lore issue.

[KingOfAbyss]

I wouldn't get your hype mode too high, but I'm pretty sure 2.38 will uncover another bout of the Yugiri Story, to prepare us for 2.4.. and.. that new race.

Yup - Just like when you are lvl 50 on your main and want to unlock any other classes, rogue will be the same way.

So it means we will be able to roll from scratch a new character with Rogue as Main (My intention) with the new 'yugiri's race' (it wouldn't make sense otherwise).

I want to see if the story will be different ^^

And of course before that: Getting this King into Naruto mode himself lol

I know I'm hyped