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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiramu View Post
    Titan EX is not difficult.

    What old content are you talking about OP?
    Hahahaha speak for yourself. I know MANY people who still haven't cleared Titan EX because it's too difficult.

    My point is that I can understand a nerf to difficult content like Titan EX because a lot of people actually need it, but who needs dungeons nerfed? They're easy already. Gone are the days of challenging dungeons, ie Aurum Vale, they're all so easy now
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShannaraFan View Post
    Hahahaha speak for yourself. I know MANY people who still haven't cleared Titan EX because it's too difficult.

    My point is that I can understand a nerf to difficult content like Titan EX because a lot of people actually need it, but who needs dungeons nerfed? They're easy already. Gone are the days of challenging dungeons, ie Aurum Vale, they're all so easy now
    It's not difficult, you learn the rotation and you go through the cycles. You get into the rhythm of the music as you fight him. It's like riding a bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiramu View Post
    It's not difficult, you learn the rotation and you go through the cycles. You get into the rhythm of the music as you fight him. It's like riding a bike.
    Perspective. One who's ridden bikes for years will say "Yeah, it's easy" but another who has never ridden a bike will find it hard. FFXIV is many, many, many people's first MMO so they will find content like Titan EX to be hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    Perspective
    This is the word that, I think, needs to be considered more when debating difficulty for exactly the reasons mentioned in the rest of the post. If you're the kind of player who catches on quickly and has the reflexes to match then you won't quite understand why a person finds something difficult. It's important to consider that other players have different learning speeds, playing environments, and levels of experience. Without making older content easier you'll have certain players (new, slower-paced, etc) almost permanently stuck because the players who are quick learners and who can teach and help all move on to the newer stuff. On top of that, a lot of the trouble players have concerns instant kill mechanics which no amount of gear or echo is going to help with.

    This almost entirely concerns raid content though. The OP mentioned dungeons specifically, however I feel the changes made to those over time have all had very little impact sans maybe the Demon Wall nerfs in AK. Most of the ease with dungeons does indeed come from increased item level, which is what the OP wants anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edenholt View Post
    Nerfing old content also decrease the lifespam of the game, because by nerfing old content when adding new you're not, in fact, adding ... you're simply replacing.
    While there may be an interesting debate to be had here, I'd also like to point out that some very critical story experiences are gated behind some of this difficult content and for many players watching it on YouTube isn't exactly comparable. This is the main reason I'm in favor of nerfing older stuff, more so than the access to new raids.
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    Last edited by Tsunenori; 08-24-2014 at 06:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShannaraFan View Post
    Hahahaha speak for yourself. I know MANY people who still haven't cleared Titan EX because it's too difficult.

    My point is that I can understand a nerf to difficult content like Titan EX because a lot of people actually need it, but who needs dungeons nerfed? They're easy already. Gone are the days of challenging dungeons, ie Aurum Vale, they're all so easy now
    I'm going to have to ask the same question. Which content are you talking about? I just ran AV a few days ago, it didn't seem nerfed at all. And I haven't heard anything about the extreme modes being adjusted. I could be mistaken, but that's why I'm asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShannaraFan View Post
    Hahahaha speak for yourself. I know MANY people who still haven't cleared Titan EX because it's too difficult.

    My point is that I can understand a nerf to difficult content like Titan EX because a lot of people actually need it, but who needs dungeons nerfed? They're easy already. Gone are the days of challenging dungeons, ie Aurum Vale, they're all so easy now
    What bro? Aurum Vale has always been easy. What are you even blabbering about?
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