SMN BIS 2.3

[Judge_Xero]

Well doing a quick math check based on all the best gear that have spell speed and with 486 accuracy, any fights where you can use Ifrit, full spell speed (511 with food) might actually be good.
I.e. lower Crit, but more attacks from Ifrit to activate Enhanced. So ideally you stay close to 2.24GCD 10% faster casts vs the 3% damage you lose from BiS.

Casting Rotation comparing full Spell Speed BiS VS Normal BiS (Recommended using Ifrit Only)
Spell Speed Gear http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK7T
BiS http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK9D

Edited to include Fester

A: 2.34s GCD
Aetherflow, Bio, Mia, B2, Fester, SCSF, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin 2, Fester, Ruin, Bio, Ruin, Ruin2, Fester, Mia, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, B2, SF (2.8s), B, Mia, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin 2, Aetherflow, Fester, Ruin, B, Mia, B2, Fester, SCSF (at this point it repeats itself)

VS

B: 2.43 GCD

Aetherflow, B, M, B2, Fester, SCSF, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin2, Fester, B, Ruin, Ruin, M, Ruin 2, Fester, Ruin, Ruin, R2, SF, B, Ruin, Ruin, M, Ruin, Ruin, B, Aetherflow, Fester, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, B2, Fester, SCSF (Rotation has not yet repeated itself, but it has reached the 70.66 Seconds that Rotation A repeats at)

Total Potency of Rotation A: 5240 (+1500 for Fester X 5) - Total 6740 Potency
Total Potency of Rotation B: 4860 (+1500 for Fester X 5) - Total 6360 Potency (6550 including 3% damage difference in stats)

So a difference of ~3%

[Dwill]

Ok so based on a pure numbers standpoint, you get 3 int, 2 WD and 15 crit for HA vs 31 det for BOS. If crit and det are approximately equal, that means 3 int + 2 WD is only slightly better than 16 det? It really seems like crit/det is pretty undervalued or WD really sucks for summoner.

Using http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK61 as a base BiS set and changing between Book of Spades and High Allagan, the average damage per spells will only change by approximately 2%, so on an approximate 430 DPS in BiS, you are talking at about 8,6 DPS upgrade on average.

Casting Rotation comparing full Spell Speed BiS VS Normal BiS (Recommended using Ifrit Only)
Spell Speed Gear http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK7T

A: 2.34s GCD
Bio, Mia, B2, SCSF, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, Bio, Ruin, Ruin, Mia, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, B2, SF (2.8s), B, Mia, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, B, Mia, B2, SCSF (at this point it repeats itself)

VS

B: 2.43 GCD

B, M, B2, SCSF, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, B, Ruin, Ruin, M, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, R2, SF, B, Ruin, Ruin, M, Ruin, Ruin, B, Ruin, Ruin, Ruin, B2, SCSF (Rotation has not yet repeated itself, but it has reached the 70.66 Seconds that Rotation A repeats at)

Total Potency of Rotation A: 5240
Total Potency of Rotation B: 4860 (This has 3% more damage due to higher Crit/Det, so equivalent to 5005)

So a difference of ~4%

What's the link to your non Spell Speed set ? Also, I do not see any Fester in there which would change your rotation to a degree.

[Ambiguous]

Well doing a quick math check based on all the best gear that have spell speed and with 486 accuracy, any fights where you can use Ifrit, full spell speed (511 with food) might actually be good.
I.e. lower Crit, but more attacks from Ifrit to activate Enhanced. So ideally you stay close to 2.24GCD 10% faster casts vs the 3% damage you lose from BiS.

I'm a bit confused why you believe increased Spell Speed will lead to Ifrit-Egi doing more attacks, considering this post states otherwise.

[skaterger]

Using http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK61 as a base BiS set and changing between Book of Spades and High Allagan, the average damage per spells will only change by approximately 2%, so on an approximate 430 DPS in BiS, you are talking at about 8,6 DPS upgrade on average.

Ah I see thanks for the clarification.

[RinchanNau]

Using http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK61 as a base BiS set and changing between Book of Spades and High Allagan, the average damage per spells will only change by approximately 2%, so on an approximate 430 DPS in BiS, you are talking at about 8,6 DPS upgrade on average.

Is that really better than this? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK8W I understand that you're only sacrificing 4 int for an amount of crit and det that more than makes up for it. But you're also losing 50 spell speed... which isn't particularly great for SMN, but I thought it still had some weight?

[Judge_Xero]

I'm a bit confused why you believe increased Spell Speed will lead to Ifrit-Egi doing more attacks, considering this post states otherwise.

Oops sorry. I should have put relative to using Garuda. I will change that post. (Ifrit has AA)

What's the link to your non Spell Speed set ? Also, I do not see any Fester in there which would change your rotation to a degree.

updated my post with this build - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK9D

Fester wouldn't really change the rotation between builds. I can add it in though, sure, cause it would change max potency on the Crit/Det build by ~45 Potency.

[Dwill]

Is that really better than this? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK8W I understand that you're only sacrificing 4 int for an amount of crit and det that more than makes up for it. But you're also losing 50 spell speed... which isn't particularly great for SMN, but I thought it still had some weight?

While Spell Speed has some weights, it is terribly low (~15 Spell Speed = 1 Int). So you gain 7 Int (with Spell Speed converted) and 11 CRT but you lose 61 DET in the process. Not worth it.

[RinchanNau]

While Spell Speed has some weights, it is terribly low (~15 Spell Speed = 1 Int). So you gain 7 Int (with Spell Speed converted) and 11 CRT but you lose 61 DET in the process. Not worth it.

Interesting. I don't yet have the HA mask OR HA ring, but if your BiS list is correct I don't need the HA ring. And I do have the mog neck and ramuh ring.. Would have the get that soldiery bracelet after I finally get my soldiery chest too. Now I want to test it out.

Edit: my list did not include food. So the difference isn't as large as you mentioned. Seems much closer with black truffle factored in.

[Havenchild]

updated my post with this build - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK9D

This is almost my exact build.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NK9T

Largely, I noticed that the Crit difference past 540 seems to be diminishing in terms of value. The difference largely between are builds being 13 DET vs 14 Crit and a potential miss rate of less then 1% on T9 final phase. Usually that comes out with me missing maybe once or twice on Garuda if I position her improperly during that phase.

With my current build, the largest I've ever been clocked at was 431 DPS on T8 and 413 DPS on T9 atm. I'd be curious to hear from a humility point if your build is slightly better then mine overall if I was to make that swap. Perhaps amount of recorded crits over a full instance would be helpful as well.

[Dwill]

Interesting. I don't yet have the HA mask OR HA ring, but if your BiS list is correct I don't need the HA ring. And I do have the mog neck and ramuh ring.. Would have the get that soldiery bracelet after I finally get my soldiery chest too. Now I want to test it out.

Edit: my list did not include food. So the difference isn't as large as you mentioned. Seems much closer with black truffle factored in.

It would be closer indeed as the difference would be ~1% if not less.