Thread: SMN BIS 2.3

Originally Posted by skaterger

Ok so based on a pure numbers standpoint, you get 3 int, 2 WD and 15 crit for HA vs 31 det for BOS. If crit and det are approximately equal, that means 3 int + 2 WD is only slightly better than 16 det? It really seems like crit/det is pretty undervalued or WD really sucks for summoner.

It would be better to disregard Crit in this comparison because both books have Crit and it's not a dependable stat to compare because of the minimal increase between the two books and the nature of Crits proccing. If we were to talk about direct damage modifier weights however, you would need about 45 DET to beat 2 WD + 3 INT.

The fact that the BOS book has 31 DET which is about 2/3s of the way there, lines up with the minimal damage increase you can get from upgrading to the HA Book.

Originally Posted by skaterger

After getting my HA book, I was looking at the numbers in coil and it seemed that it hardly increased, if any at all from the Book of Spades. I thought it was definitely a mistake or a bug or something until I read this today. So I was intrigued and went to test on a training dummy and over the course of 30 dot ticks, the average tick from BB2M seemed to be around 360-400 per tick without food. The highest tick for HA was 415 whereas there was a tick from BOS at 482. I also did further testing of a 3 min rotation on a dummy and I hit 415 d[s with BOS and 420 dps with HA which was really shocking since an upgrade from i110 to HA was at least a 20-30 dps increase for other classes. So does this mean that det>crit and also what is the reason for the dots having the same/slightly higher tick than HA?

This falls in line with what I was actually seeing in game as well. Putting the calculations of stat x weighs aside, in game I was also physically seeing higher DoT ticks with the BOS. Largely it shouldn't make sense for this but, this is in fact happening in game. This is why I also believe there's either a damage bug in play for DoTs with WD more then likely not affecting it or there's a slightly different equation at work here for DoTs which favors DET more, because its largely ONLY the DoTs that increase in damage from the BOS, everything else is stronger with the HA Book from my testing which would imply 31 DET > 2 WD + 3 INT for DoTs otherwise I can't think of another way to explain this discrepancy.

Originally Posted by RinchanNau

I do have a question about SMN that's probably been discussed plenty before. Is Miasma 2 really worth using with contagion? I have been using it most of the time but have thought about dropping it. The potency seemingly isn't worth the MP cost if it forces me to use energy drain over fester more than I would be otherwise.

Miasma II is only worth using in an AoE situation with 3+ mobs imo or when couple'd with Contagion for the duration increase. If your using Energy Drain more then not, you should in fact examine your rotation a bit more. The only fight you should be having some MP issues, not counting any ressing, is T8 because that fight is quite long with no breaks in between.

Perhaps you're over using Ruin II's (unquestionably the biggest mana drainer). You should only be using Ruin II during forced movement(Landslides, Twisters etcetc) or right before Fester comes off GCD.

Or you could be clipping your DoTs too early, another culprit of heavy MP drain. Making the best of things like Bane for AoE situations saves you alot of MP as well so working with your party for those situations plays a big role also.

Originally Posted by Havenchild

This falls in line with what I was actually seeing in game as well. Putting the calculations of stat x weighs aside, in game I was also physically seeing higher DoT ticks with the BOS. Largely it shouldn't make sense for this but, this is in fact happening in game. This is why I also believe there's either a damage bug in play for DoTs with WD more then likely not affecting it or there's a slightly different equation at work here for DoTs which favors DET more, because its largely ONLY the DoTs that increase in damage from the BOS, everything else is stronger with the HA Book from my testing which would imply 31 DET > 2 WD + 3 INT for DoTs otherwise I can't think of another way to explain this discrepancy.

What I still don't get is why only the dot portion seems to be affected. Since DET affects every single spell, including dots and fester, then by that logic both fester and dot ticks should be stronger for either HA or BOS, not one for each. If the results were consistent, I think it would be easier to make stat weightages for int, WD and det. The other possible explanation is that det has an additional bonus to dots while WD and int has a direct bonus to direct spells.

Arg can't edit on phone.
Compared to Fester of 900 damage. 1 damage = 0.11%