PLEASE REMOVE PVP RANK REQ FROM GEAR

[Parodine]

Grinding = Booring repetitive activity of cheap mechanics made to elongate gameplay time.

Whats the effort in that? endure it? lol.
Anything that comes with just time is equally efortless as something that is handed down to you.

With that kind of attitude, why are you even playing this game at all?
Leveling = doing repetitive quests and dungeons over and over.
Myth/soldiery grinding = need I say more?
Leveling gatherers, crafters - it's all a grind, really.

There are rewards you earn for doing whether tangible equipment or abilities/access to things others don't.

The grind is ever present in this game even outside PVP. There are PVP rewards that reflect the grind and those that reflect ability. Your definition of 'earn', frankly, is a little bizarre for an MMO.

Anything that comes with just time is equally efortless as something that is handed down to you.

This is such silly statement in and of itself. Regardless, it basically means you don't find fulfillment in games like these. So stop?

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

With that kind of attitude, why are you even playing this game at all?
Leveling = doing repetitive quests and dungeons over and over.
Myth/soldiery grinding = need I say more?
Leveling gatherers, crafters - it's all a grind, really.

The grind is ever present in this game even outside PVP. There are PVP rewards that reflect the grind and those that reflect ability.

Leveling = Amazing quest story telling, progression sense, character development, etc, etc, etc. Leveling is far from booring and repetitive.
Myth/Soldiery = grind? who grinds it? lol, myth literally falls from the sky, loged in? have 100 myth, the soldiery cap can be made in a few hours doing Frontlines, 2 hours doing hunts lol.
As a mastercrafter all i can say is lol, it takes 1 week if you make all turn ins yourself to level just 1 crafter to 50, and is a leveling progression process. My record actually was my LTW, from 1 to 50 in 6 hours.

Besides all that content needs to be "long term" in a way or another, is PvE. Player vs Enviroment. PvP on the other hand... LOL. Now he thinks PvE and PvP are the same thing and they have the same rules for game time.

[DishSoap]

With that kind of attitude, why are you even playing this game at all?
Leveling = doing repetitive quests and dungeons over and over.
Myth/soldiery grinding = need I say more?
Leveling gatherers, crafters - it's all a grind, really.

The grind is ever present in this game even outside PVP. There are PVP rewards that reflect the grind and those that reflect ability.

Well since you changed the subject to grinding why don't we look at some stuff that in this game that can actually be called "earning" like HA gear & Savage Coil Titles. You have to actually learn the game and be efficient to get these things, you don't just put time into them you have to learn them and be good at them. Unlike the PVP gear were you CAN put X amount of time and get Y rewards, something that is a certainty no matter what.

[Parodine]

Leveling = Amazing quest story telling, progression sense, character development, etc, etc, etc. Leveling is far from booring and repetitive.
Myth/Soldiery = grind? who grinds it? lol, myth literally falls from the sky, loged in? have 100 myth, the soldiery cap can be made in a few hours doing Frontlines, 2 hours doing hunts lol.
As a mastercrafter all i can say is lol, it takes 1 week if you make all turn ins yourself to level just 1 crafter to 50, and is a leveling progression process. My record actually was my LTW, from 1 to 50 in 6 hours.

Besides all that content needs to be "long term" in a way or another, is PvE. Player vs Enviroment. PvP on the other hand... LOL. Now he thinks PvE and PvP are the same thing and they have the same rules for game time.

My point is, which you've missed, is that all the time you've put into other aspects of the game is, ultimately, a grind. And in your own words, as effortless as if it was all just handed to you. Which brings me to the disparity: you just said things need to be 'long-term' but don't want to put long-term effort into PVP to get to wear 'effortless' things...but you've put that kind of time effort into other aspects of the game. So it's ultimately not anything wrong with the game - you just have different priorities. So also: atma, animus, novus weapons.

Well since you changed the subject to grinding why don't we look at some stuff that in this game that can actually be called "earning" like HA gear & Savage Coil Titles. You have to actually learn the game and be efficient to get these things, you don't just put time into them you have to learn them and be good at them. Unlike the PVP gear were you CAN put X amount of time and get Y rewards, something that is a certainty no matter what.

So you don't think, until you have any HA or savage titles, that you've earned anything in the game? That's interesting. If that's your perspective, then it is what it is. I don't see why you would want bother with anything glamour related, then. Since that's all you think these armors are worth really.

And with that, I'm done. I'm sure they'll lax the requirements in the future like they've done in previous patches. Just wait then.

[DishSoap]

So you don't think, until you have any HA or savage titles, that you've earned anything in the game? That's interesting. If that's your perspective, then it is what it is. I don't see why you bother with anything glamour related, then.

Well I bother with glamour stuff because it looks cool why else? Everyone wants to look a certain way, have a certain style to them, not be another face in the crowd. As for earning anything? I guess I really haven't earn really anything in the game at least anything I can really be proud of. Because anyone can get a perfect novus with time and anyone can get all level 50s with time.

Cont.

[DishSoap]

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Things that have high expectations or things based highly on skill something you can really work towards gives players a incentive to do more almost like a passion something they can follow. I feel things like this are important to a game so they don't "Well I'm finished with my daily and weekly stuff time to log off." It's something that you can work with people towards and build stronger relationship with as FC, team, LS, or even small group of friends.

All in all it's something that can be fun, not just some chore.

[Dyvid]

Well if morale actually mattered in Front Lines I would say no, rank matters. If Front Lines had ranked matches I would say no, rank matters. As it stands, Wolves Den is the only source of PvP were rank does matter so the question is, do enough people play it to warrant gear tied to rank.

Having said that, by the time I do hit rank 40 I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't have enough marks to buy two sets of PvP gear.

[Felis]

Like I said you didn't earn anything it's the best PVP gear in the game but it's based on how much time you put into it, grinding. Not into some kind of ranking system based on skill that people who actually do good in PVP can get to prove they are good at it, something they earned. If you can't see the point I'm trying to make I'm sorry.

So it would be also okay to put all gears outside of coil2 into NPC shops?
Farming this one dungeon fo that one gear? just buy it with gil
Farming roulettes for soldiery tomes to buy ilevel100 gear wih it? Just buy the gear with gil
Farming FATEs for atmas? Just buy them with gil

[DishSoap]

So it would be also okay to put all gears outside of coil2 into NPC shops?

First you're missing the context and point, two money making is a form of grinding, and three your comment doesn't even make sense of how earning = SCoB items in the shop.

Forth I don't always respond to troll post but when I do, I make sure to back my logic up just encase it isn't.

[saeedaisspecial]

So it would be also okay to put all gears outside of coil2 into NPC shops?
Farming this one dungeon fo that one gear? just buy it with gil
Farming roulettes for soldiery tomes to buy ilevel100 gear wih it? Just buy the gear with gil
Farming FATEs for atmas? Just buy them with gil

The irony in what you posted is that everything you listed is an easymode grind.
Also, where does the gil come from? It's all the same, just a different currency. Grind away.