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    OK, fine, Mr Debate Coach. But Bauti has no way to say with certitude that Teledji "is not a Prince." The evidence at least points to this much being true. He is styled and acknowledged by others in the city in which he lives as a Prince, therefore he is a Prince. Where we get into muddy waters is "Prince of what in relation to whom?" This may be a logical fallacy, but he lives in Ul'Dah - therefore it is highly likely that he is in the Royal line of that city even if only from a Branch Family. Kinda like the difference between House Lannister of Lannisport compares House Lannister of Casterly Rock in ASOIAF. Narratively, it makes no sense for him to be a Prince in name only and completely unrelated to the royalty in Ul'Dah.

    You're wrong, Alenore. You're just wrong. Bring it on. =P
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    You are the one wrong Saikou, you arent even noticing what are you saing, lol what is all that game of thrones stuff related with this post?
    Pls stop saing stupid stuff. HE IS NOT A PRINCE, he is a high lord of uldah, a member of the sindicate. A council that with the sultana, froms the goverment of Ul dah. Common is quite obious, THERE WAS NO WORD that he could be a prince. that "merchant prince" is a meaning, not that they are actualy prince. Please just get over it and look more cutscenes beacuse you seem to know nothing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saikou View Post
    OK, fine, Mr Debate Coach. But Bauti has no way to say with certitude that Teledji "is not a Prince." The evidence at least points to this much being true. He is styled and acknowledged by others in the city in which he lives as a Prince, therefore he is a Prince. Where we get into muddy waters is "Prince of what in relation to whom?" This may be a logical fallacy, but he lives in Ul'Dah - therefore it is highly likely that he is in the Royal line of that city even if only from a Branch Family. Kinda like the difference between House Lannister of Lannisport compares House Lannister of Casterly Rock in ASOIAF. Narratively, it makes no sense for him to be a Prince in name only and completely unrelated to the royalty in Ul'Dah.

    You're wrong, Alenore. You're just wrong. Bring it on. =P
    Merchant Prince has never meant you were from royal blood, but was a term used to describe very rich and powerful magnates, usually having a good part of a town wealth and thus, a great influence over it. Ul'dah being a city totally built on the principle "Money is Power (and everything else)", the term "Merchant Prince" should fit anyone with enough financial power and trying to build his own faction (like Teledji does). You could say the whole Syndicate is made of Merchant Princes, actually.
    If you want another relation to a game that people compared a bit recently, take WoW. The goblins factions are lead by Merchant Prince, having a bunch of workers and companies working for them, amassing cash. That's the same here.

    Now if he is an actual Prince (he might be. Highly unlikely, but hey), it has never been mentioned in game. Or even implied.
    The same infographics that has been posted doesn't mention prince in Japanese or French (though it does in German). Until we get more informations than ONE picture about it that doesn't even say the same thing in half the language,

    I'll finish with the fact that there's a "prince" in japanese that is only a nobility title and doesn't relate to a royal/imperial family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alenore View Post
    The same infographics that has been posted doesn't mention prince in Japanese or French (though it does in German). Until we get more informations than ONE picture about it that doesn't even say the same thing in half the language,

    I'll finish with the fact that there's a "prince" in japanese that is only a nobility title and doesn't relate to a royal/imperial family.
    Thanks for the info
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    Two things that hopefully add to the discussion: (in the Lalafell Naming Conventions thread)
    Quote Originally Posted by Gildrein
    Fun Fact: Members of the Ul'dah and Sil'dih royal families also bear the names of their respective sultanates.
    and that sultanates have another set of words for princes, being (from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan )
    "Royal Prince : Shahzada, Mirza, Emir
    Noble Prince : Mirza, Sahibzada"
    an extension is "Nobleman: Nawab, Baig".

    I feel as though they wouldn't shy away from calling him Mirza* Teledji Ul Adeledji if he truly was in line for the Ul throne.
    *personal favorite of the choices
    Ed: And considering how patriarchy-centric Muslim and Middle-Eastern society is as a whole, he probably would have been first in line regardless of which of them were older (if siblings)
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    Last edited by Falen; 08-16-2014 at 02:52 AM. Reason: extra opinion...