SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Shougun]

Parsing log files isn't data mining. The log files aren't even in the game installation folder. They're in your documents folder. Go look for yourself. They're .txt files you can open them up in Notepad. In fact I posted some of my own in this thread and I haven't been warned or banned for it.

The log doesn't include all the information needed for all classes (can be used for some). Also the popular parser, because it does what it needs to do to get that extra information, reads from memory, which is against the ToS - which is also why that popular app can also make a radar.. because it reads from memory.

I don't think the majority of the posts here are talking about the txt files, I'm not even sure the majority here are even aware of that option- I think most are talking about "that" famous app.

[Kayo]

Has actually played these games at a high degree and noticed the level of abuse is rare, very rare, though the amount of whinging of players that want to be boosted, is really high.
What Ive seen most cases was people calling out afkers in combat, not low damage, not unskilled play, but afkers, are you one of those players by any chance ?

Once was a in a top 100 guild in wow during tbc where it was fully allowed. You know, when it actually counted for a lot during some encounters (hai M'uru). People used it as a tool and then talk without each other how to get better and not to abuse people like you seem to love to claim.
Please do not assume stuff you clearly have no idea about just to support your own argument.

Oh! I see ... so from all the way up in your "Elite Competitive Guild-Raiding" pedestal dont see the putrid bile this proven unnecessary tool brings to everyone else who regularly runs pugs. And all because you want to make sure that spec, gear, and rotation you picked up from that website is actually doing the DPS it said it would. Funny how IM the one who "doesnt know what im talking about" yet youre the ones ignoring anything else as if its a non-issue (to you maybe).

Youre not the only one whose played end game content with and without parsers, theyre used to gloat, and theyre used to bully people... and the rare opportunities either of you allegedly have had with your collective group of friends to defeat a handful of bosses is FAR from worth the headaches it brings with it for everyone else whose not running raids with friends. Be honest already, youre not asking for parsers on practice dummies, or parsers who display only your own information only... youre more interested in everyone elses information than your own. You dont want to help anyone, you want to police everyone else, plain and simple.

Its not needed to beat the content, this isnt the first game to not allow its use, and every single one has had guilds of all skill levels beat its content. No wgo ahead and tell me how im obviously one of those "scrubs" who wants to be "carried" ... thats what you all like to say right? "We need to have this because all the "lazy people" want to take your loots" ... you sound like politicians.

[Gormogon]

If this is really your methods then that is probably why you still haven't beat T6.

I haven't beaten it because I don't care about second coil of bahamut and thus I ain't doing it.

Guess your parsers couldn't explain that to you.

[Appleh4x]

I haven't beaten it because I don't care about second coil of bahamut and thus I ain't doing it.

Guess your parsers couldn't explain that to you.

Yep, I'm totally sure the reason isn't because you can't get a static for it when you test your dps potential by tallying numbers on level 49 monsters. /sarcasm

[Tiggy]

I haven't beaten it because I don't care about second coil of bahamut and thus I ain't doing it.

Guess your parsers couldn't explain that to you.

It does explain why you lack the required knowledge to have any idea what you're talking about.

Seriously guys. First coil, garuda, titan, ifrit,and Levi are easy enough you don't need this level of detail that parsers provide. So you all think mechanics and team work are all you need. The problem is if you haven't tried coil 2 you literally don't understand what some of us are trying to explain. The game does get tougher than those fights and those are where these tools are at their most useful.

If you've never run coil 2 please, for just a second, try to remember there is this whole part of the game you've never experienced. We aren't being elitist. We've simply seen the hardest this game offers and these are the commentaries coming from that perspective.

I'll completely admit the older fights don't need anything like a parser and generally mechanics are enough. I'd appreciate it if a few people in the other camp could admit that perhaps they've never done this content and that maybe their ideas don't apply to tougher content.

[Gormogon]

Yep, I'm totally sure the reason isn't because you can't get a static for it when you test your dps potential by tallying numbers on level 49 monsters. /sarcasm

If you need parsers to know a rotation then I really feel sorry for you.

[Bubblesz]

If you need parsers to know a rotation then I really feel sorry for you.

Seriously? When a scientist first steps out to make a hypothesis he wants the facts/data. Perhaps we should feel sorry for you.

[Tygg]

Seriously? When a scientist first steps out to make a hypothesis he wants the facts/data. Perhaps we should feel sorry for you.

What you say is correct, but you also don't need math to know a bigger rock is going to hurt more.

[Sebazy]

Half of the things you question is something you see and notice leveling and if you didn't that's pretty hilarious to me. I can go on but there's no point since I already explained why you're trying to make this a thing.

If you need parsers to know a rotation then I really feel sorry for you.

I disagree, summoners can easily go from 30 to 50 with only Miasma, Bio, Bio 2, fester and a pet. 99% of the content before coil simply melts too quickly to need anything beyond that, whilst the fraction of content that does have enough HP to stand up for more than a few minutes simply requires that you stay alive for the ride. Note that dots do not show up in the combat log, also keep in mind that all single target dot damage is compressed into a single flying text element, there is no way of telling if a particular dot tick critted. Due to the lack of precise timing with dot ticks it's also borderline impossible to weigh up the merits of more subtle elements of SMN play, 'should I be using shadow flare on a single target or should I only use it with swift cast', 'is Miasma II worth it's GCD?', 'Does contagion make it worthwhile?'. These seemingly minor details have a huge impact on a SMNs potency and they are not things you will learn whilst levelling.

Fights are mechanic oriented which is the reason why all guides revolve around explaining abilities and rotations over YOU NEED 400 DPS ON EVERY BODY AND 350 HEALS PER HEALER.

Again, I disagree, Turn 8 is a timed DPS race with dance dance revolution elements mixed in for good measure. Whilst as far as Turn 9 goes, the first phase rewards ever stronger DPS, phases 2 and 3 will effectively wipe you if you don't kill the adds before the mechanics progress on, whilst phase 4 is strictly timed with a hard enrage that will test a group still in the process of gearing up. Savage coil dials everything up to 11, it honestly makes Turn 5 look like Tam-Tara.

Sorry but the end game environment has changed a lot since 2.0 and the offenders are end game difficult increases mixed with the type of environment parsers create. I've put up with it so much that it has gotten to the point that I'm willing to avoid end game raiding because of it now. I tolerated that bs for well near a decade and it has never changed and all meter enthusiasts don't ever bother to make the end game environment any better.

I suspect the problem isn't parsers in general, but rather the people you played with.

Those players downing savage coil are actually putting effort. If you actually take the time to realize that they put in hours upon hours every day doing savage coil. They put that time checking and testing mechanics that need to be tackled. It's the reason why it's possible to be downed.

And part of the process of checking and testing mechanics in Savage Coil is digging through parser output to understand what they need to be achieving to clear the content.

Yet you go and overshadow all that hard work people doing savage coil by mentioning "parsers". It's pretty sad from my pov that you would do that.

A) I would wager that every single party making serious progression (as in managing to push a turn to at least phase 2) in savage coil will have at least one parser, the majority will have everyone parsing quite honestly. And for the PS4 players? They will be using parser info from someone else in the group. This isn't me speculating. This is the cold hard truth, I can only apologise if it hurts you.

B) If you think using a parser 'trivialises' the time, effort and sheer willpower that goes into committing a serious amount of time to clearing a Savage Coil turn, you are rather mistaken.

Ps, don't take the discussion and differences in opinion too much to heart, lets keep this as an enjoyable debate please?

[Gormogon]

Seriously? When a scientist first steps out to make a hypothesis he wants the facts/data. Perhaps we should feel sorry for you.

level from 1-50 and learn nothing. You sure told me about scientist and facts.

I suspect the problem isn't parsers in general, but rather the people you played with.

You suspected wrong and I'm not gonna bother naming every little god damn thing that's happened in pugs where people use parsers but are misinformed because they weren't paying attention to the fight itself to realize what really went wrong.

And part of the process of checking and testing mechanics in Savage Coil is digging through parser output to understand what they need to be achieving to clear the content.

Sorry but when I was in WoW most world first "boss" clears are not based on using meters but communication between progression guilds during downtime unless they actually communicated between fights. "Pro-tip that is happening in the current end game scene of FFXIV."

Yet you don't have to take my word for it and can believe on the parser data. All it ever did in WoW just simply gather pointless dps information that can be gotten even without it's presence. People that record fights would even spot the, exact why, faster than those bothering with crunching a log.