SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Sebazy]

How is it not available to them? Whilst they can't directly run it on the console, they can still benefit from it's feedback just the same as a PC player by sharing data. Watch the Summerford farm target dummies to see what I mean.

[Tygg]

How is it not available to them? Whilst they can't directly run it on the console, they can still benefit from it's feedback just the same as a PC player by sharing data. Watch the Summerford farm target dummies to see what I mean.

The data is not available to me. It is available to someone that can give it to me. It is still not available to me.

[Souljacker]

I still would like to know how using a parser helps someone "gain an advantage". Are you admitting that otherwise, people would be using bad rotations and playing at a sub-par level and so only people with access to parsers will play better? I just don't understand the logic behind these statements, or why anyone would argue that keeping people playing at a lower level benefits the playerbase as a whole.

I'd also like to point out that anyone here who has looked up a rotation has benefited from the existence of a parser. This is how optimal rotations are found - by parsing real data and seeing that this sequence is superior to that one.

Really - everyone needs to chill out and stop acting like parsers are going to destroy the game.

[Gormogon]

I still would like to know how using a parser helps someone "gain an advantage". Are you admitting that otherwise, people would be using bad rotations

That's a misconception.

It's not that it's an advantage in making you a better player. It's an advantage in spotting how bad a bad player is under performing and it helps justify getting rid of them from the group. Something you can do without a parser by just looking at ilvl and comparing it to someone good you occasionally play with. Though without parsers players will tend to just whatever the situation but with parser information it just gets nasty.

Since that's where parsers get used more seriously more often which is in groups in dungeons/raids.

A bad player is gonna be bad regardless of having a parsers. (Dare you to tell me a 3 year old will get better with parsers)
A good player is gonna be good regardless of having a parser.

Top excelling players don't need parsers to judge timings, stats, etc. It's their way of life to constantly do this especially when changes are introduced.

[Enkrateia]

Greetings, all!

At this point, the thread seems to be debating minutia and semantics. While I do love a good discussion about these types of things that can progress understanding, in this case, it's largely repetitive and not progressing. There has certainly been a lot of good points in this discussion, which is why I will be closing the thread, for reference. However, due to increasing numbers of reports from this thread, this is also preventing what may be an eventual removal of the thread. I don't want to remove a good, broad discussion of concerns from the forums, and this preventative measure will keep it here.

LGM Enkrateia