SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Kayo]

Has actually played these games at a high degree and noticed the level of abuse is rare, very rare, though the amount of whinging of players that want to be boosted, is really high.
What Ive seen most cases was people calling out afkers in combat, not low damage, not unskilled play, but afkers, are you one of those players by any chance ?

Once was a in a top 100 guild in wow during tbc where it was fully allowed. You know, when it actually counted for a lot during some encounters (hai M'uru). People used it as a tool and then talk without each other how to get better and not to abuse people like you seem to love to claim.
Please do not assume stuff you clearly have no idea about just to support your own argument.

Oh! I see ... so from all the way up in your "Elite Competitive Guild-Raiding" pedestal dont see the putrid bile this proven unnecessary tool brings to everyone else who regularly runs pugs. And all because you want to make sure that spec, gear, and rotation you picked up from that website is actually doing the DPS it said it would. Funny how IM the one who "doesnt know what im talking about" yet youre the ones ignoring anything else as if its a non-issue (to you maybe).

Youre not the only one whose played end game content with and without parsers, theyre used to gloat, and theyre used to bully people... and the rare opportunities either of you allegedly have had with your collective group of friends to defeat a handful of bosses is FAR from worth the headaches it brings with it for everyone else whose not running raids with friends. Be honest already, youre not asking for parsers on practice dummies, or parsers who display only your own information only... youre more interested in everyone elses information than your own. You dont want to help anyone, you want to police everyone else, plain and simple.

Its not needed to beat the content, this isnt the first game to not allow its use, and every single one has had guilds of all skill levels beat its content. No wgo ahead and tell me how im obviously one of those "scrubs" who wants to be "carried" ... thats what you all like to say right? "We need to have this because all the "lazy people" want to take your loots" ... you sound like politicians.

[Assirra]

Oh! I see ... so from all the way up in your "Elite Competitive Guild-Raiding" pedestal dont see the putrid bile this proven unnecessary tool brings to everyone else who regularly runs pugs. And all because you want to make sure that spec, gear, and rotation you picked up from that website is actually doing the DPS it said it would. Funny how IM the one who "doesnt know what im talking about" yet youre the ones ignoring anything else as if its a non-issue (to you maybe).

Youre not the only one whose played end game content with and without parsers, theyre used to gloat, and theyre used to bully people... and the rare opportunities either of you allegedly have had with your collective group of friends to defeat a handful of bosses is FAR from worth the headaches it brings with it for everyone else whose not running raids with friends. Be honest already, youre not asking for parsers on practice dummies, or parsers who display only your own information only... youre more interested in everyone elses information than your own. You dont want to help anyone, you want to police everyone else, plain and simple.

Its not needed to beat the content, this isnt the first game to not allow its use, and every single one has had guilds of all skill levels beat its content. No wgo ahead and tell me how im obviously one of those "scrubs" who wants to be "carried" ... thats what you all like to say right? "We need to have this because all the "lazy people" want to take your loots" ... you sound like politicians.

I am once again demanding proof for this "gloating, bullying" you people seem to be so fond off.
I have done years in mmo's with parsers/dps meters/whatever you call it and seen it rarely happen.

[Kaethra]

The log doesn't include all the information needed for all classes (can be used for some). Also the popular parser, because it does what it needs to do to get that extra information, reads from memory, which is against the ToS - which is also why that popular app can also make a radar.. because it reads from memory.

No the log files don't normally. And they didn't in both EQ games either, but its what we used to get an 'idea'. That's sort of the point of parsing, to get an idea of what you are doing. Then you can improve on it and then see if what you did differently actually improved it. If you read my post where I posted my simple notepad manual parse of the damage done during a few seconds of fighting in Haukke Manor, you will notice a monster cast Stone, but you saw it do no damage. This is because it was out of range for the log file to track.

That happened in both EQ's the parser wouldn't be able to accurately track party members without some settings changed and everyone being closer together. I'd imagine the same thing works here. Of course this is assuming a parser isn't doing those 'other' things as I've said. And that's been the point of my argument in this thread. Not every parser is covered under the TOS ban. The parser for EQ2 that I mentioned actually has a plugin for FFXIV (just looked it up as of writing this). It ONLY parses log files and doesn't check memory or data streams. Which means it can parse when you're not even in game.

So the parsers I'm speaking about do not do those nefarious things that other's have been referencing.

Youre not the only one whose played end game content with and without parsers, theyre used to gloat, and theyre used to bully people... and the rare opportunities either of you allegedly have had with your collective group of friends to defeat a handful of bosses is FAR from worth the headaches it brings with it for everyone else whose not running raids with friends.

To be honest, your post is alot more abusive than any post or response from someone using a parser that I've seen in the 15 years I've been playing MMOs. How about you settle down and let friends within their circles play the game the way they want to? They aren't in your raids, your groups, or in your FC. They aren't hurting you. Live and let live. Parsers didn't suddenly make people be mean to you, they were that way long before there were parsers.

[Delorean]

Youre not the only one whose played end game content with and without parsers, theyre used to gloat, and theyre used to bully people...

They're also used by raid leaders to diagnose a problem.

youre more interested in everyone elses information than your own. You dont want to help anyone, you want to police everyone else, plain and simple.

You know what I loved about the first week of my job training? Watching everyone else do work because I didn't know the ropes yet. You know what I do now? I take intiative and jump in and try to help wherever I can see I'm needed to get a job done faster.

When someone asks for your help to do something, you will be expected to contribute.

And don't say "it's just a game". Basketball is "just a game", and players who want to win are going to try to choose players that they feel give them the best chance of winning.

Sorry but when I was in WoW most world first "boss" clears are not based on using meters but communication between progression guilds during downtime unless they actually communicated between fights. "Pro-tip that is happening in the current end game scene of FFXIV."

Your world firsts. Let me see them.

All zero of them.

Logging is a tool that is used by every guild in World of Warcraft that is serious about progression whether they did it months ago or are doing it now. Many run live logging sessions.

Midwinter, Duality, Vigil, Huge in Japan, OBSCURE REFERENCE and Pure are all top 100 guilds in World of Warcraft with players that I know personally that examine logs, so I don't know what you're talking about.