SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Miitan]

Go ask a cop if jaywalking is legal.

He said it was. (I don't live in the US)

Different situations always exist.

[Reynhart]

I don't look down upon you for not parsing. I look down upon you for ignoring all the benefits and disregarding them so easily. You can hate them, dislike them all you want, but you should still accept that their advantages are huge to those that choose to use them properly.

Actually, you didn't read any of my post. Never did I disregard the benefits of parsing. I even made a specific statement that there's nothing wrong in "parsing", just "parsing with a 3rd party program". And no benefit could justify something that is clearly forbidden by Square-Enix. What I don't like too is those who think that a parser is mandatory, and that without it, you're automatically a "bad" player.

Also, you should stop accusing everyone who argues against you of parsing. That's like saying everyone who votes Republican hates gays.

Wow, that's an out of topic comparison you got there...maybe you should have said "It's like saying everyone who tries to prove you that gays are bad people hates gay"

And I'm pretty sure I wrote :

either you directly use a parser and don't care about the risk of being banned (Since your character and server are clearly named on the forum), or you play legit and then, you should follow your own advice to not give an opinion about something you don't actually do.

You chose the first part.

[Gormogon]

I look down upon you for ignoring all the benefits and disregarding them so easily.

Everything thing that is wrong with people that defend parsers ever.

If you know those so called benefits, then explain to me what's so hard about incorporating those so called benefits without the use of parsers? Oh wait you can't. Yet I do see a lot of that anti-social aspect that is the offense in shunning such a 3rd party tool.

[saeedaisspecial]

Actually, you didn't read any of my post. Never did I disregard the benefits of parsing. I even made a specific statement that there's nothing wrong in "parsing", just "parsing with a 3rd party program". And no benefit could justify something that is clearly forbidden by Square-Enix. What I don't like too is those who think that a parser is mandatory, and that without it, you're automatically a "bad" player.

I'll give you the "illegal" part, but even so the way you form your posts is incredibly bias, and a lot of people in this thread have been outright ignoringt eh benefits that parsing brings.

And I'm pretty sure I wrote :

either you directly use a parser and don't care about the risk of being banned (Since your character and server are clearly named on the forum), or you play legit and then, you should follow your own advice to not give an opinion about something you don't actually do.

You chose the first part.

You pretty much misunderstood the context there. I said you shouldn't be giving your opinion because you were posting incredibly misinformed things about end game content within the game, not about parsing itself. So I completely disregarded that paragraph completely.
There's also a third option; people who believe parsers bring huge benefits to the end game community and want to show SE that the entire community isn't anti-parser. With a mod API apparently in the works (even though we've heard nothing about it since launch, I fear that the current negativity on the forums would put such a thing in jeopardy.

Everything thing that is wrong with people that defend parsers ever.

If you know those so called benefits, then explain to me what's so hard about incorporating those so called benefits without the use of parsers? Oh wait you can't. Yet I do see a lot of that anti-social aspect that is the offense in shunning such a 3rd party tool.

Disregard parsers in this argument for a moment.
Imagine it was another scenario. Imagine it was something that pretty much only had benefits to those that used it. Shunning it and disregarding its benefits completely would be a stupid thing to do, right? That's pretty much how I see it, you can hate something, but you should still give credit to the benefits it yields. I hate Justin Beiber, but I still admit he was a great artist.

As for your other argument: You can't, exactly. So we have to work with what we can, legal or not at times. But with a mod tool around the corner, we'll be able to do that. The current attitude on the forums puts all that at risk. You clearly are biased against the idea of parsers in general, not the illegality of them like Reynhart, so I'm going no further with this reply to you before you change your tune (again).

[severus413]

The obvious answer is just to eliminate the combat log entirely. /facepalm (that's how ridiculous this argument has gotten.)

Funnily enough I don't see anyone complaining using sites like xivdb or erozapedia, which also takes data from the game and mines it to give players an advantage.

Can't be against one thing and for the other kids. Parsers don't do much but give you the same information you can figure out yourself (though would take much more time).

[Gormogon]

As for your other argument: You can't, exactly.

Actually I can.

I was doing triple flare before it was a thing (even use Int pots as well when it would be more appropriate over triple flare).
I enjoyed using AM's on Demon Wall/Anataboga(?)/Ifrit/Garuda/etc and Leviathan before it was ever a thing.

If Dragoon's had Wyvern pets I would be using Str pots and would be using jumps as punishment and not as part of the rotation when there's bosses like Titan/Leviathan.

Playing the game and understanding your toolkit before diving into a rotation isn't a hard thing to grasp. Which like I said before an avg threshold will always be more import than seeking a consist max dps value. Those parsers that keep on edging "muh dps" is the double edge sword of dpsers since they become obsessed with numbers and ignore mechanics to keep their numbers high. Since it will enforced the mentality on DD players, "who cares if I died during the fight and we wiped because of me. My DPS broke a world record".

[Reynhart]

I'll give you the "illegal" part, but even so the way you form your posts is incredibly bias, and a lot of people in this thread have been outright ignoringt eh benefits that parsing brings.

As biased as "FFXIV requires parsing". I had all my relics before 2.1. I cleared Turn 4 before 2.2, and all those without any parsing tools. And I've seen very good players with average stuff, that would clearly lost a pure DPS but managed to dodge every mechanic of Titan.

You pretty much misunderstood the context there. I said you shouldn't be giving your opinion because you were posting incredibly misinformed things about end game content within the game, not about parsing itself. So I completely disregarded that paragraph completely.

Again, I've done endgame content in 2.0 and 2.1, specifically avoiding "post your DPS"-people or "one mistake and we'll kick you"-people. I've trained several members in my FC so that they manage to win content while still enjoying the game. My opinion is based on this way of playing the game, that didn't prevent me to clear early endgame. And like someone said, parse-required-mentality started even before 2.0

There's also a third option; people who believe parsers bring huge benefits to the end game community and want to show SE that the entire community isn't anti-parser. With a mod API apparently in the works (even though we've heard nothing about it since launch, I fear that the current negativity on the forums would put such a thing in jeopardy.

Actually, I'm aware that parsing can be interesting. When my FC leader did an intervew at Japan Expo in France, I even gave him a suggestion about implementing a parser on training dolls which he asked Yoshida. I thought that by doing this, people can work a min-max build when choosing stuff without the fear of being harassed in dungeons.

[ispano]

"Parsing" is not cheating. 3rd party program is. Good to know you don't understand the difference.
And IF they implement it, Yoshi mentionned that it wouldn't be available in dungeons or raids specifically to avoid people from...hmmm..."helping" each other.

I said a player made parser/meter, not something made by SE.

[Reynhart]

I said a player made parser/meter, not something made by SE.

Since Yoshi has a clear view of parsing tools and how they are used to harass people (sometimes), I don't see him changing the user agreement to make it legal.

[ispano]

Since Yoshi has a clear view of parsing tools and how they are used to harass people (sometimes), I don't see him changing the user agreement to make it legal.

Well, that's the thing. He talked about addons fairly recently. And one of his comments was that they would have access to data the client has access to, such as damage and healing data. So, yeah, I do see it happening.