SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Appleh4x]

because you can't proc your buffs on mobs...right you sure told me. Especially when I mentioned it before that in regards to testing w/o buffs.

Again you've proven to try real real hard to justify your pro parser argument and there's no shame on it but seriously stop trying so hard to justify it and say you desire your QoL.

No, you can't accurately recreate how your Dots work on T9 versus a Doblyn outside of Camp Bluefog that dies before the DoT timer finishes. Is that a simple enough way to put it for you? This still isn't including all the other factors I mentioned like foe req, accuracy, DoTing before phase changes and all that good stuff

[Tygg]

The crazy part is, we don't need a parser to see you are terrible.

When your threat is below someone of the same class, whom has worse gear, and using quelling. You are bad.

When you casting spells/abilities for reasons you should never have to, like blizzard 1 because your oom. We know you are bad.

When you have penta-melded gear with melds that give +0. We know you are bad.

When you can't beat turn 5 / titan / turn 6-9 /ramuh / levi. We know you (or your group) is bad.

Everything you said is true. It only becomes a problem when the "Pro" players are just chortling or kicking these players instead of teaching them how to be better (given they are willing to listen). This is how we cultivate a healthy and friendly community. Sadly, this is not the norm found anymore.

[CeeTwo]

People are capable of being selective and rude with or without parsers.

People who don't like parsers are just bad players that don't want others to be shown factual data proving they're bad... Go ahead and toss excuses at this statement, it's the truth and you know it hahaha.

[MeiUshu]

People are capable of being selective and rude with or without parsers.

People who don't like parsers are just bad players that don't want others to be shown factual data proving they're bad... Go ahead and toss excuses at this statement, it's the truth and you know it hahaha.

the question is more are you implying that is normal to use something that is *forbidden* by rules to use it to shame people publically (which is also against ToS) ? you are saying that is exactly what parsers are used for right?...well that is exactly why they shouldnt be allowed and why people should be banned for the reason you just stated, aka using an external tool to demean, berate and insult another player that is maybe (what do you know about it eh?) still learning how to go about and MAYBE wants to learn at his own pace without having some uneducated game addict throwing at his face how dumb he may appear (for now) because of his DPS or what not

Just me though

Mei

[Ryel]

The irony in this thread.

I'm seeing more players out of the anti-parser pool responding with condescension, hostility, and out right abusive remarks in most of their posts in comparison to the many pro-parsing players who have calmly outlined very valid reasoning and offered scenarios to which you can see the benefits.

while i don't promote or discourage the use of parsers I'm starting to wonder if the issues many of these players are having is how they personally perceive constructive criticism as opposed to an overly hostile environment.

While i won't deny there are plenty of players that will use these features to harass and belittle other players it's more often the case that most of those players would simply find another reason or already doing so anyway.

[Krr]

It's interesting how people call something they don't like "cheating" on vague principle because of what an authority said, rather than observing real material effects.

Especially when we have been given multiple, multiple examples of why parsers could be disallowed by the ToS for reasons not related to them being "cheats" at all, such as binding corporate legalese or inability to guarantee the safety of players using any third-party program for any reason.

[Elven]

It's interesting how people call something they don't like "cheating" on vague principle because of what an authority said, rather than observing real material effects.

Especially when we have been given multiple, multiple examples of why parsers could be disallowed by the ToS for reasons not related to them being "cheats" at all, such as binding corporate legalese or inability to guarantee the safety of players using any third-party program for any reason.

It's more interesting to see how players defend parsers passionately yet claim in no way does it give them an advantage over someone that doesn't use them. If it was allowed "No Problem" but since it isn't under the current Tos it's just cheating. Getting real tired of people not seeing this simple point.

[Sebazy]

It's more interesting to see how players defend parsers passionately yet claim in no way does it give them an advantage over someone that doesn't use them. If it was allowed "No Problem" but since it isn't under the current Tos it's just cheating. Getting real tired of people not seeing this simple point.

Of course parsers give players an advantage, that's the entire purpose behind them. An equally interesting nugget at the risk of sounding super elitist: Every strong anti-parser poster I've looked at with public achievements in this thread hasn't cleared T6. As a group you all don't seem to appreciate that the advantage parsers bring to the table is outright required at the very top tier of this game's content. I'd absolutely love to have you guys watching over my shoulder on a T6 savage attempt as it transitions. It's like nothing you've experienced in this game and I honestly think you are missing out. Don't take it too seriously (it's just a title after all!) and it's really quite exhilarating

[PrimeEvilPanda]

Every strong anti-parser poster I've looked at with public achievements in this thread hasn't cleared T6.

I haven't cleared T6 but I'm not anti-dps parser (legit one built in the game)..... As a few other folks as well here have said -that are not hardcore raiders, as well - with or without the dps parser, we're fine...I wouldn't mind it and I wouldn't be against not having it because it won't affect MY personal gaming life. I'm 100% sure this would stay within the confines of the statics and just like with everything, if someone abuses it in DF, just report them. People who are genuine asshats will find a way to abuse another person regardless of the tools you give them - I'm not going to go into the gun debate here where people kill people, not guns kill people because I'm Australian...we don't do that shit.

at the risk of sounding super elitist

Your sig mocks them

~ SCH / WHM / Snob ~ http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...racter/871132/ ~

[Rodgort]

As a group you all don't seem to appreciate that the advantage parsers bring to the table is outright required at the very top tier of this game's content.

Whether it makes content easier to clear or not is irrelevant. If it was actually required, it would pop up as part of the UI on its own because it'd be programmed into the game already. THAT'S required. The way you referenced it is not. It's just a personal want/preference. And no, I haven't done T6, because I know that'd be a response. I haven't even attempted it. Even if I did, and kept getting my tail kicked in, I wouldn't get a parser. It's against the TOS, bottom line. Wanting it as a quality of life thing or thinking that you NEED it to play the game is just self justification.

Not trying to take a dig at you, i'm just dealing in hard facts.