SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Elven]

Every time someone is adamant in their stance against parsers I always imagine someone who's bitter about being kicked from a party because someone else parsed them and said they were underperforming. Parsers are useful. A few jerkasses using it in ways you might not like doesn't make the program itself bad and is no good reason to take it from everyone else.

I don't personally use them (because I'm lazy), but more power to someone who wants to make regular use of them.

That's the whole point not wanting parsers, low dps last I checked wasn't against the rules people are so anal and prissy about it. However not talking about bad players that's a whole other issue they will always have problems even if their dps was fine but couldn't stay alive long enough to be of any use.

[KahnyaRedx]

That's the whole point not wanting parsers, low dps last I checked wasn't against the rules people are so anal and prissy about it. However not talking about bad players that's a whole other issue they will always have problems even if their dps was fine but couldn't stay alive long enough to be of any use.

In a game with DPS checks, it's important to know you are producing enough DPS. So, if you don't want parsers to be relevant, SE will need to remove any and all DPS checks within the game. Problem Solved?

As a quick note, if someone is "reported" to have low dps, I only ask questions, I attempt to help them up that dps. Some may be, for lack of a better word, mean about it. But not everyone, some people want to help. How can I help this person increase their DPS? Maybe they aren't using the right food, maybe the wrong rotation, or blowing their cool downs improperly, and they have no idea.

[Elven]

In a game with DPS checks, it's important to know you are producing enough DPS. So, if you don't want parsers to be relevant, SE will need to remove any and all DPS checks within the game. Problem Solved?

That's not what I said, A dragoon can give killer dps regardless of your skill same with a monk no parser needed but what happens in turn 5 and they keep dying will the parser tell you that one too? Inside an FC practicing no problem but then logic dictates you don't need to use this on pugs if you're using it to train in house right?

[SirSaber]

So your only problem is that something touches the game files, not the advantage it may or may not give?

You're trying way to hard.
Either at trolling or arguing.

Parsers "read" from the game client directly and or from the log file in you game folder.
^ This is a 3rd party program that's illegal, it's "interacting" with the game directly.

Voice Programs don't do this, at all.

[Asael]

That's the whole point not wanting parsers, low dps last I checked wasn't against the rules people are so anal and prissy about it. However not talking about bad players that's a whole other issue they will always have problems even if their dps was fine but couldn't stay alive long enough to be of any use.

Yeah, because if parsers were to all mysteriously disappear tomorrow that would fix your issue.

Besides, you don't need parsers to know someone's dps is slacking as simple observation can do that, and then those same anal prissy people will still tell you that your dps sucks.

Anyways, you can make the argument that low dps isn't against the rules (and you're right) but it's also not against the rules for them to not want to raid with you if they believe you will hold them back.

[Elven]

Yeah, because if parsers were to all mysteriously disappear tomorrow that would fix your issue.

Besides, you don't need parsers to know someone's dps is slacking as simple observation can do that, and then those same anal prissy people will still you that your dps sucks.

Anyways, you can make the argument that low dps isn't against the rules (and you're right) but it's also not against the rules for them to not want to raid with you if they believe you will hold them back.

I wouldn't want to raid with anyone that didn't understand that Dps isn't everything having a well supported party is. No parser will teach you that lesson I'll give you that one for free.

[HeroSamson]

Anyone who has to rely on a program is a crappy player.

They can say they are good but they aren't, a good player could win with what is presented to them.

You can tell yourself no all you want or others, you are the one using the program to get the best possible results its almost like a gameshark, a person doesn't have 10 more strength but character sucks so you can't win so you replace it with a code just to win the fight.

so instead of struggling and trying your best you get someone else, that is way better than you are, I mean you couldn't win with this other person in party but once you get the guy who has better stats, that carries you through the dungeon fight or whatever it is, you think you guys are big time players. you suck cause you couldn't win without that person.

and that program and im not talking about vent.

[Tashigi]

I wouldn't want to raid with anyone that didn't understand that Dps isn't everything having a well supported party is. No parser will teach you that lesson I'll give you that one for free.

And I personally wouldn't want to raid with someone who is willing to be ignorant to the glaring fact that no matter how well you dodge/perform, if your DPS isn't high enough to meet the check point (enrage timer), your ship isn't sailing.
In the event that your DPS is too low for a fight that needs to be completed in a set amount of time, then it becomes your primary reason for wiping; in other words, it's value jumps to being the #1 priority and it become everything that's needed to complete your duty.

[Asael]

I wouldn't want to raid with anyone that didn't understand that Dps isn't everything having a well supported party is. No parser will teach you that lesson I'll give you that one for free.

That's not the point.

The point is the problem you have been describing isn't going to be solved by getting rid of parsers/3rd Party tools as that doesn't address the actual issue. All it changes is the social response people will use when this topic arises. The issue is the people themselves. On one side you have some really thin skinned individuals who get butt hurt over any sort of criticism be it constructive or otherwise, and on the other you have those that will flagrantly harass and chide others to include the first group of people. The thing is this is an issue that is almost impossible to fix. So you either just need to deal with it and move on, or isolate yourself to particular clicks of people that you like being around.

The bottom line is this; this is an issue that is here to stay and there is nothing you or anyone can do about it. It's not just an issue in game, but rather a real world issue that just happens to permeate into the game (and with the anonymity the internet provides it only serves to inflame this problem further). The idea and the claims that parsers and whatever else is the problem is just an absurd statement that doesn't lead to any actual solutions, but are rather simple scapegoats.

[Elven]

And I personally wouldn't want to raid with someone who is willing to be ignorant to the glaring fact that no matter how well you dodge/perform, if your DPS isn't high enough to meet the check point (enrage timer), your ship isn't sailing.
In the event that your DPS is too low for a fight that needs to be completed, then it becomes your primary reason for wiping; in other words, it's value jumps to being the #1 priority and it become everything that's needed to complete your duty.

High enough is fine within reason. As for ignorance you must think I mean low dps to be 1k a minute is okay, I mean seriously people jump just because someone output 500 less than everyone else. I've seen tables on redit for hardcore streamline dps that only the elitist of players can attain with the idea that everyone else needs to be that high when being parsed. You know where anyone that thinks like that can stick it.