SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Illya]

If SE had wanted people to use parsers, they would have been built into the game. Please, stop using the same tired excuses for being bad.

This is such a stupid argument. So what you're saying is, Squenix didn't want people to know what % HP the boss was at, and suddenly now they did so they added it in a recent patch? Features are added to the game when they have a chance to add them, like mob % HP on their health bars. This game is full of boss fights where phase changes occur at a certain % HP, it would have been nice at launch but Squenix did respond to player feedback and add it.

Most companies try to improve MMOs during their lifetimes, who's to say they won't add an official DPS meter into the game when they finally implement addons?

[ispano]

Most companies try to improve MMOs during their lifetimes, who's to say they won't add an official DPS meter into the game when they finally implement addons?

They've actually said they won't, at least not for groups. HOWEVER they DID say that addons will be allowed to view data the client has access to, such as damage information. So an official one won't happen, but a player made one certainly could happen.

[raelgun]

If SE had wanted people to use parsers, they would have been built into the game. Please, stop using the same tired excuses for being bad.

No other mmo has one officially in, yet other mmos have parsers through addons and dont have issues with them, whats the excuse here ?

[Mcshiggs]

If Squenix didn't want people to use parsers, they wouldn't have put fights in the game which depend on a DPS check before a hard enrage on timer that wipes the party.

This is how they designed the game, so there will be parsers because people want to know WHY they wiped when they hit the enrage.

So you are saying that even though SE has said they don't want people to use parsers, they actually want people to use parsers? If I use your logic since you are a fan of parsers, that means you really don't like them?
As for wanting to know your group wiped when they hit enrage, it's simple you didn't kill it fast enough as a party, figure out how to increase your party dps, these fights can be done without parsers. I will agree that a parser can help identify problems, but they are in no way required.

[Deviant1]

How about instead of an in-game parser, they put a big black hole icon over the head of someone who isn't doing their job correctly? or maybe a big red letter 'F'?

I just do not understand that in a game with enrage timers, one shot mechanics and DPS checks almost everywhere, that knowing the person who is causing the group to fail is an issue. I get the whole 'they don't want to give players stress' or have a player grief another, but the concept that so many fights are won or lost because of one player's mistake is ridicules.

[Zakalwe]

In starting this thread, I didn't mean to ignite yet another dps-parsers-are-evil-no-they-aren't discussion, though I guess in retrospect it was inevitable.

That old argument is legitimate, but in a sense irrelevant. The fact is that SE has its feet in cement on the matter, and anyone using the main DPS meter out there and its add-on features like Radar are doing so at their own risk, with bans now underway (though here I agree with the person who said Radar was likely the precipitating development for SE's more active stance).

Fight Club rules aside, it seems to me that this situation will only change when or if SE ever provides its own in-house, non-third-party tools.

[ispano]

In starting this thread, I didn't mean to ignite yet another dps-parsers-are-evil-no-they-aren't argument, though I guess in retrospect it was inevitable.

That old argument is legitimate, but in a sense irrelevant. The fact is that SE has its feet in cement on the matter, and anyone using the main DPS meter out their and its add-on features like Radar are doing so at their own risk, with bans now underway (though here I agree with the person who said Radar was likely the precipitating development for SE's more active stance).

Fight Club rules aside, it seems to me that this situation will only change when or if SE ever provides its own in-house, non-third-party tools.

Nah, the only one they might provide is something personal on a training dummy. But like I said earlier, they've already said addons will have access to damage data and some other things that the client has access to, so we just have to wait til then.

[OPneedNerfs]

Ban all endgame raiders.

[Nel_Celestine]

I don't like the idea of parsers. I don't like the idea of ANY third party tools. Because they can and will be abused. People will say they won't, or say it's 'limited' or 'extreme' cases. But at the end of the day that's exactly what it boils down to be. Parsers are a judgement tool, nothing more. If you use the judgement to improve yourself, then you don't need the tool because you can eyeball it (pen & paper / excel etc etc) without having to rely on something else to do the work for you. If you use it on others then all are you doing is looking for flaws in people, and with the quality of the community we have here (hey look, hunts are a GREAT example of THAT....) it will end up in the crappiest place possible.

Not to mention the fact of "Oh, well I have this parser installed, I might as well use mod X or Y as well to make things easier." which just results further and further into cheating mindset because "oh it's not effecting others."

I will firmly hate 3rd Party Tools.


And before anyone says 'stop being bad'. I was apparently parsed and told how I did by a bard in DR the other day and was complimented. I felt rather uncomfortable with that information and warned them not to do it again, especially with me because I will report for that kind of stuff.

[Exstal]

you can eyeball it (pen & paper / excel etc etc)

Which is *EXTREMELY*　inefficient.