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    Player Kayo's Avatar
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    Kayo Vedo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tashigi View Post
    if used properly.
    ^Keywords.
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    Arwyn Elven
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayo View Post
    ^Keywords.
    No such thing when mods and tools are designed to break a game. It's just an excuse
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    Tashigi's Avatar
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    Nico Robin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elven View Post
    No such thing when mods and tools are designed to break a game. It's just an excuse.
    You are labeling all mods, including quality of life mods, as the same.
    I can't take you seriously at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tashigi View Post
    You are labeling all mods, including quality of life mods, as the same.
    I can't take you seriously at this point.
    Just don't do it PS3/PS4 players don't or can't what's hard to get about this? Just don't try and justify it.
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    Taban Highwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elven View Post
    Just don't do it PS3/PS4 players don't or can't what's hard to get about this? Just don't try and justify it.
    So are you against teamspeak/vent/etc as well since ps3's can't run those? o.O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taban View Post
    So are you against teamspeak/vent/etc as well since ps3's can't run those? o.O
    Those are not taking or attached to the game in anyway you might as well throw mobile phones in there for what that post was worth.
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    Valia Rosa
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taban View Post
    So are you against teamspeak/vent/etc as well since ps3's can't run those? o.O
    (speaking up even though this wasn't directed to me)
    Umm, these aren't add-ons nor do they interfere/interact with the game coding in anyway; these are other programs. A ps3 player, if they wish, can use a different machine to run a voip program.
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    Taban Highwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadana View Post
    (speaking up even though this wasn't directed to me)
    Umm, these aren't add-ons nor do they interfere/interact with the game coding in anyway; these are other programs. A ps3 player, if they wish, can use a different machine to run a voip program.
    But what if other users don't have a machine that can run them? It's not fair to them!!!!
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    Murah Jhida
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    Lancer Lv 50
    The most 'difinitive' statement 'yet'? The fact that you can get banned for using a parser is news so old it remembers what this game was like when the hardmode Primals actually gave what people considered weapon upgrades.

    Officially, do not use a parser. Officially also, however, Square-enix will not violate your user privacy to scan your computer for 'illegal programs' and detects cheating by applications that send data rather than the fact that they read what the client already knows. So, the only way to get caught using a parser is if you're completely transparent about your need to judge someone else by a number attached to their character.

    The material effect of the 'no parser' ruling and the methods used to enforce it is that players are unable to mandate their use for participation, and use them as open judgement tools or ways to overtly harass others.

    Unofficially: People are using parsers because Square gives us terrible, terrible ways to monitor our DPS performance in any metric other than 'enrage timer didn't go off'. This makes it extremely difficult to engage in any meaningful self improvement, much less research potential good priorities or rotations or rules of thumb without vague and opaque wishy-washy theorycraft, especially with the opacity of many game mechanics.

    A good example: I *still* meet Dragoons who do t6 and beyond and have several pieces of High Allagan and think that they should skip Chaos Thrust as long as someone else is applying Disembowel, because the net potency of DoTs and their mechanics in general aren't explained properly ingame.
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    Last edited by Krr; 08-09-2014 at 06:33 AM.
    video games are bad

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    Nico Robin
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    Blacksmith Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Krr View Post
    Officially, do not use a parser. Officially also, however, Square-enix will not violate your user privacy to scan your computer for 'illegal programs' and detects cheating by applications that send data rather than the fact that they read what the client already knows. So, the only way to get caught using a parser is if you're completely transparent about your need to judge someone else by a number attached to their character.

    The material effect of the 'no parser' ruling and the methods used to enforce it is that players are unable to mandate their use for participation, and use them as open judgement tools or ways to overtly harass others.

    Unofficially: People are using parsers because Square gives us terrible, terrible ways to monitor our DPS performance in any metric other than 'enrage timer didn't go off'. This makes it extremely difficult to engage in any meaningful self improvement, much less research potential good priorities or rotations or rules of thumb without vague and opaque wishy-washy theorycraft, especially with the opacity of many game mechanics.

    A good example: I *still* meet Dragoons who do t6 and beyond and have several pieces of High Allagan and think that they should skip Chaos Thrust as long as someone else is applying Disembowel, because the net potency of DoTs and their mechanics in general aren't explained properly ingame.
    All of the above.
    Also, the DRG example is something I've sadly experienced more than I can remember, specially in T6 and T7. Once you've played every DPS class in end game content, you easily pick up bad DPS quickly and easily.
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