SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Tashigi]

No such thing when mods and tools are designed to break a game. It's just an excuse.

You are labeling all mods, including quality of life mods, as the same.
I can't take you seriously at this point.

[Elven]

You are labeling all mods, including quality of life mods, as the same.
I can't take you seriously at this point.

Just don't do it PS3/PS4 players don't or can't what's hard to get about this? Just don't try and justify it.

[Taban]

Just don't do it PS3/PS4 players don't or can't what's hard to get about this? Just don't try and justify it.

So are you against teamspeak/vent/etc as well since ps3's can't run those? o.O

[Elven]

So are you against teamspeak/vent/etc as well since ps3's can't run those? o.O

Those are not taking or attached to the game in anyway you might as well throw mobile phones in there for what that post was worth.

[Sadana]

So are you against teamspeak/vent/etc as well since ps3's can't run those? o.O

(speaking up even though this wasn't directed to me)
Umm, these aren't add-ons nor do they interfere/interact with the game coding in anyway; these are other programs. A ps3 player, if they wish, can use a different machine to run a voip program.

[Taban]

(speaking up even though this wasn't directed to me)
Umm, these aren't add-ons nor do they interfere/interact with the game coding in anyway; these are other programs. A ps3 player, if they wish, can use a different machine to run a voip program.

But what if other users don't have a machine that can run them? It's not fair to them!!!!

[Sadana]

But what if other users don't have a machine that can run them? It's not fair to them!!!!

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I'm going to pretend you're not trolling...

Voice chat is not built into the game, does not affect the game, therefore it doesn't matter in SE's policies. If someone does not in fact have the ability to run voice chat, for whatever reason, but is constantly pressured (in whatever manner) to use voice chat, this can be seen as harassment and is reportable as such.

[Taban]

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I'm going to pretend you're not trolling...
Voice chat is not built into the game, does not affect the game, therefore it doesn't matter in SE's policies. If someone does not in fact have the ability to run voice chat, for whatever reason, but is constantly pressured (in whatever manner) to use voice chat, this can be seen as harassment and is reportable as such.

I'm making an absurd argument I agree, but it's similar to the one that's being used against parsers. Voice chat is still an advantage some have over others. I would argue that it's actually a much bigger advantage than anything parsers give. (And is generally much more required for raiding) A parser is a data collection tool, nothing else, it doesn't give someone an unfair advantage over someone else, and it's silly to pretend that it does. If we started seeing deadly boss mods equivalent addons being created I would agree that it would put ps3 players at a severe disadvantage for raiding (though I still wouldn't support banning the mods).

[LadyVal]

But what if other users don't have a machine that can run them? It's not fair to them!!!!

Those don't directly interact with the game in any way at all though, so it doesn't matter. VoIP systems just let you speak to other people as a separate program that never touches the game.

[Ilitsa]

But what if other users don't have a machine that can run them? It's not fair to them!!!!

null point, I play console and use voip just fine. Skype/mumble/ts/vent

skype, mumble, teamspeak, and ventrillo even all have smartphone apps that can be used. They are accessable by 99.9% of anybody these days, either through pc, laptop, smartphone or tablet.

edit for clarity sake: I'm not saying I'm against parsers/add ons. I use them on WoW emphatically, I can't imagine the game without some of the addons I use (DBM, Recount, Selljunk-oh god this addon!). Using the console playerbase as a scapegoat for them not being added is wrong though. It's not OUR fault, it's the dev's choice.

i'm not against the people using addons here either, by all means, use them, I just ask that you be respectful with said information in the parser, there's a right and wrong way to act with that info, lets not be World of Warcraft community about it, alright?