SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[raelgun]

It has happened to me personally on FFXI. It's the sole reason I hate 3rd party tools with a passion.


How is it a freedom of choice when the playerbase is wanting a tool they can use to push players out of content unless they are high-end raider level of play?

Whats happened to you personally is like I said, 2 way street, youre only mentioning what happened to you, not what you did.


Players have a choice who they want to play with, these can range to whatever, yes this is freedom, what you are suggesting is, they have no choice on the matter, people need realistic expectations in how they approach things, its not the requirement of good players to take those struggling through content, not at all, you havent even considered the thoughts and feelings of those who play well have you. You cant restrict them with no say on the matter otherwise they get a banning, how messed up is that. Boost me or youre getting a ban, this is why players with your attitude are the bane of mmos.

Not everyone is BlueGartr tier of play, using them as the measuring stick is what the community tends to do. When people parse others they judge not based on the encounter as a group, but based on what the 'expected DPS should be'. That 'expected' is set by the raiding community, with BG at the top. Now, how is anyone going to improve if people are going to use parsers to keep them OUT of content rather than using them to help improve them FOR it?

The bar is set by what the group can actually do, and also, its the players choice IF they want to help, not expected to, this is the problem, they need the choice, not be their job.
People should find ways themselves to improve if needs be, theres no reason to why they cant.

[Nel_Celestine]

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So you'd rather a game where people don't help anyone except the raider elite and everyone else gets frustrated, quits and the game dies out due to limited consumers? Sorry if I disagree with you and think HELPING people rather then kicking them is the better option.

[Alukah]

Like it was said before, that text was most likely referring to our current issues with the hunt and the radar app, their stance with parsers never changed and the rule against data-mining has always been there.

Just keep it to yourself and your 2nd coil static, unless you're a tryhard that keep parsers up even for dungeons or trials.

[raelgun]

Your term for helping isnt in the slightest by definition of help, this is a act of good will of their OWN CHOICE, not forced against their will, also that excuse is such a bad one, name a mmo where thats actually occured, mmos have died cos its made badly not due to people unable to down content. Thats just grasping for straws at this point, players have the choice to get on with content and not help, theres nothing wrong with this, but to put them through guilt trips due to you own lack of power is just disgusting, this is actual bad attitude.

[Alistaire]

Go ask a cop if jaywalking is legal.

[Stormrider]

Ok SE pays people to help(carry) people through content. Last time i checked when i get Aurum Vale on low level roulette for some new players SE pays me in myth and stuff to help/(carry) them. So we are all agreed?

Two parsers are probably not the definition of cheating. But anything that allows you to grief or question other players abilities, is probably never going to see the light of day. Fight club rules aside people can't keep there mouth shut. A wipe on Ifrit HM and the tank starts spewing numbers. "no ones above 16" " What the hell are you all doing, I am above half of you." Was the group bad yes. No amount of healing or tanking is going to carry a group that can't get nails down. But using a TOOL to belittle other players is wrong. It only takes a few to not keep their mouth shut.

I also bet if SE could have the warden program running they would. They have enough issues without adding more. Warden wasn't added till after anyways. So it may still be in thew works.

[raelgun]

Ok SE pays people to help(carry) people through content. Last time i checked when i get Aurum Vale on low level roulette for some new players SE pays me in myth and stuff to help/(carry) them. So we are all agreed?

Two parsers are probably not the definition of cheating. But anything that allows you to grief or question other players abilities, is probably never going to see the light of day.

Just to let you know, the battle log actually displays what people got hit by and what amount, with this alone it provides one of the many info that a parser does, how is this aspect any different ?
It also lets you know what they were doing or were hitting too.
The tool to observe other players is in the battle log, should SE remove that tab entirely too ?

[ispano]

So you'd rather a game where people don't help anyone except the raider elite and everyone else gets frustrated, quits and the game dies out due to limited consumers? Sorry if I disagree with you and think HELPING people rather then kicking them is the better option.

So you'd sit and wipe, over and over, with someone who refuses to improve? Or in a group where the DPS isn't up to par but you don't know WHICH one it is? And if you happen to say anything at all about the DPS being too low, not even to one specific person, you get your head chewed off?

Also, please tell me what you plan to do when addons get implemented and someone builds a parser with that system. And before you say SE won't allow, it, they've already said addons will have access to damage data and other such information that's exposed to the client.

Ok SE pays people to help(carry) people through content. Last time i checked when i get Aurum Vale on low level roulette for some new players SE pays me in myth and stuff to help/(carry) them. So we are all agreed?

Two parsers are probably not the definition of cheating. But anything that allows you to grief or question other players abilities, is probably never going to see the light of day. Fight club rules aside people can't keep there mouth shut. A wipe on Ifrit HM and the tank starts spewing numbers. "no ones above 16" " What the hell are you all doing, I am above half of you." Was the group bad yes. No amount of healing or tanking is going to carry a group that can't get nails down. But using a TOOL to belittle other players is wrong. It only takes a few to not keep their mouth shut.

I also bet if SE could have the warden program running they would. They have enough issues without adding more. Warden wasn't added till after anyways. So it may still be in thew works.

First, read my reply above. Second, I've played games that have addon support and DPS meters and the such right in the client. I play games heavily, it's just what I enjoy doing. And, yes, some people do get harassed over it, but it's also not the norm.

So you'd rather a game where people don't help anyone except the raider elite and everyone else gets frustrated, quits and the game dies out due to limited consumers? Sorry if I disagree with you and think HELPING people rather then kicking them is the better option.

If someone in your group is holding the group back, and refuses to step up and do better, you're not helping them by sitting there and wiping with them and not removing them. They refuse to learn, they need to understand they are then not welcome. If you can't accept that, then you may very well be HURTING some groups.

[Elven]

Only impatient players with no intention of teaching others over exaggerate wipes meanwhile tanks and healers get off scot free with all this business of dps and parsers.

[Tashigi]

Only impatient players with no intention of teaching others over exaggerate wipes meanwhile tanks and healers get off scot free with all this business of dps and parsers.

You can spot a bad healer or tank miles away.
DPS? Not as easy; but some people can spot them easily if they've played said DPS class themselves.