So resetting's against the rules now?

[MeiUshu]

malicious or not malicious intend...that is the whole question. This whole thread is what happens when rules are not clear cut crystal and that on top of it, you have people without education/respect/ morality (insert whatever you want), some *rules* shouldnt need to be written they are common sense, unfortunately, as long as this kind of grey zone exists, nothing will change, a possible solution ? to late for any. Maybe implement a max number of people being reward....let say...first 10 ? the rest will get nothing out of it and make resetting impossible. I am pretty sure people wont bother killing when they see already 10 are there....I know only LS/FC will get those...but isnt that what hunts were meant for in the first place ? to hunt in group....eh?

Just me though these* Hunts* in their current conceptions are the worst possible thing that could happen to the game..

Just my opinion though you dont need to agree or disagree just my vision of it

As for reporting, it will get down to what we got with the kick abuse, SE will simply wash their hands and dont bother with it, it is called the ostrich politic.

Mei

[PixelPirate]

Just me though these* Hunts* in their current conceptions are the worst possible thing that could happen to the game..

Just my opinion though you dont need to agree or disagree just my vision of it

As for reporting, it will get down to what we got with the kick abuse, SE will simply wash their hands and dont bother with it, it is called the ostrich politic.

Mei

I agree it's a ridiculous system and just about the worst thing they've launched. However, I have to disagree about the reporting thing. If somebody resets by accident, obviously that can't be an infraction. If they set so friends can get credit - BUT - they don't utter a single word about it... Don't bother reporting. However, if you see /laughing or /shouts about how fun it is to eff up everyones day, they will get banned, it's that simple folks.

[Appleh4x]

malicious or not malicious intend...that is the whole question. This whole thread is what happens when rules are not clear cut crystal and that on top of it, you have people without education/respect/ morality (insert whatever you want), some *rules* shouldnt need to be written they are common sense, unfortunately, as long as this kind of grey zone exists, nothing will change, a possible solution ? to late for any. Maybe implement a max number of people being reward....let say...

I thought the same thing based off the first few things the GM said, but that isn't the case. He basically replied to me and said that resetting at all is punishable if anyone is affected by it, regardless of actual intent. He worded it so cryptically though that I still might be wrong IDK

[MeiUshu]

e.g my post about grey zones and interpretations ....rules arent clear for a reason...they allow all AND nothing.

Mei

[Ghishlain]

I thought the same thing based off the first few things the GM said, but that isn't the case. He basically replied to me and said that resetting at all is punishable if anyone is affected by it, regardless of actual intent. He worded it so cryptically though that I still might be wrong IDK

See the following:

The question of intent doesn't apply to *why* you reset the mob, but whether or not you deliberately reset it.

by intentionally resetting a hunt mark, you have chosen to interfere with the game play of other customers.

GMs do not care if you reset a mob in good faith to allow 30 more people to get credit, if your reset caused even one individual to lose their credit, you are grief-ing said individual and therefore can be investigated. Reset at your own peril.

[EDIT] Also this:

The intent to disrupt another customer's game play does not require that the attempt to disrupt another customer's game play was successful. This could still be reported and investigated.

[Appleh4x]

See the following:




GMs do not care if you reset a mob in good faith to allow 30 more people to get credit, if your reset caused even one individual to lose their credit, you are grief-ing said individual and therefore can be investigated. Reset at your own peril.

From his last post:

actions determined to be taken with the intent of disrupting the game play of others can be reported as a grief tactic...

He's implying that the intent needs to be to disrupt, not whether or not you reset it by mistake. He also implies that things that happen as side effects of resetting are intent, which goes against the meaning of the word.

[Kyroc]

From his last post:


He's implying that the intent needs to be to disrupt, not whether or not you reset it by mistake. He also implies that things that happen as side effects of resetting are intent, which goes against the meaning of the word.

Seriously man, you need to get past this. Here and on reddit. The intent is if you intended to reset the mob because that in itself would disrupt the gameplay of those already fighting it. The reason behind the reset is not the intent they care about. Why is this so hard for you to understand. So many people have tried to explain it to you both here and on reddit.

If you want to keep resetting marks, go for it.. But if you get an infraction against your account for it, you have no one to blame but yourself.

[Appleh4x]

Seriously man, you need to get past this. Here and on reddit. The intent is if you intended to reset the mob because that in itself would disrupt the gameplay of those already fighting it. The reason behind the reset is not the intent they care about. Why is this so hard for you to understand.

Probably because the fact that it is wrong and I like to stand up for things I believe are right. Saying that resetting a mob disrupts the gameplay de facto is an opinion, and one that is taking a side in the morality of resets when the whole point of the GM's post was to try and say that morality isn't a factor which is a contradiction. If I reset a hunt on my server and no one is "disrupted" how would that be causing a disruption? It wouldn't. By taking your stance you're assuming that 100% of the time a reset is made that someone is now not getting the credit they would have earned previously, which is not true, Cory.

[Ashkendor]

Saying that resetting a mob disrupts the gameplay de facto is an opinion,

In this case it's not an opinion, though. It's a GM telling us that resetting elite hunt marks falls into the category of disrupting other players' gameplay and as per the ToS can be punished accordingly.

[Issac]

Please don't reset a hunt target I've been putting full effort into getting credit for. =/