So resetting's against the rules now?

[Ooshima]

To me that part means that if I ever get talked to by a GM, even if it is just a talk, for pulling an enemy that is unclaimed and I am considered disrupting the play of others standing there not fighting the enemy is the day I cancel my subscription.

--Or put another way the act of pulling alone isn't necessarily wrong, yet perhaps with some motivation that's focused to intentionally incite anger ... it MIGHT be considered such. That's my impression.

Thanks for the explanation

[Eckhart]

I'd reiterate my first post in this thread, but it probably wouldn't matter since people do really seem to prefer regurgitating their empirical notions until they are blue in the face, regardless of what is happening in the actual game. Maybe the color blue is trending right now who knows

Do you know why your post was ignored? Because you didn't bring anything to the table. We acknowledge that the problem is within the system, but there's griefing, and we are customers, and there's customer support.

What you are not getting ,is that at the end of the day, people like me, who have not much time to play on a daily basis, want our play time to COUNT.

Getting our marks reset by the horde time and time again it's infuriating, and as stated, it's reportable. I don't care if you think us are just talking high about what's morally wrong or right, atm in game there's a problem and sweeping it under the rug is not a solution while we wait for a system fix.

[Ailish_Chibi]

Resetting a mob is the only chance a ps3 player have right now to reach most of the hunts....Can some people understand that?

[ispano]

Resetting a mob is the only chance a ps3 player have right now to reach most of the hunts....Can some people understand that?

The flaw in your thinking is thinking that someone not even anywhere near said hunt mob, deserves to get credit for it. I mean if they get there in time, great, but the point is you get out there and LOOK for them. If you don't find one, oh well, if you do, there you go.

It's like a hunter out in the forest finding a deer, then some other hunting getting ready to shoot it so the first hunter scares it off because his mother hasn't gotten there yet to also shoot it.

[Black_Rose]

and that is why open world Bosses should never be free for all.besides, some competition is always healthy.
no matter who pulls what first, if at any point in a fight someone comes along and decides to pull away a monster from you and resetting it by that while you're not okay with that, even if you haven't claimed it at first, it's considered harassment.
even if out of 100 players only 1 person is unhappy with it, it's still harassment and it doesn't justify your actions at all.

the basic rule in PvE is, you see shit, you kill it.if you can't you form a group strong enough to do so.you're not allowed to run around with monsters, or hold them untill friends arrive.people claiming monsters in FFXI and kiting them untill their friends arrive have been banned for those reasons.i must know, i've been banned previously for holding a monster for a few minutes so my friends could arrive and help me.what i didn't expect was that there was another group that would have loved to kill my monster but couldn't because i was holding onto it.

resetting is the same tactic as holding.and it's even more worse doing so while others are there that are already in the middle of the fight.
i don't understand why it's so bad if you miss a hunt once in a while.if you're not there in time to fight it and recive your reward than that's a matter of fate.you can't allways have everything.

[Teirshin]

You can all read and interpret the GM posts any way you like, but its pointless to say "It means this..."

At the end of the day the only opinion that matters is the one of the GM investigating, because they have the power to warn/ban your ass if enough people report you.

If you honestly think there's a problem, report it and let the GM's clear the field of problem makers. If the same names keep getting reported enough, the ban hammer will fall until they are gone for quite some time.

Every interaction I've had with the GM's has been efficient and quick.

Report em all..... let SE sort em out. It wouldnt take very long.

[Appleh4x]

You can all read and interpret the GM posts any way you like, but its pointless to say "It means this..."

At the end of the day the only opinion that matters is the one of the GM investigating, because they have the power to warn/ban your ass if enough people report you.

If you honestly think there's a problem, report it and let the GM's clear the field of problem makers. If the same names keep getting reported enough, the ban hammer will fall until they are gone for quite some time.

The main issue is that the GM giving us replies has no clue what the word "intent" means when used as an adjective. He contradicts himself on several posts because of this and it just makes everything he says confusing and misleading.
Intent (adj.) : resolved or determined to do (something).
another definition of intent: The thing that you plan to do or achieve : an aim or purpose
example from Merriam-Webster: She thinks I'm trying to make things difficult for her, but that's not my intent.

[MeiUshu]

malicious or not malicious intend...that is the whole question. This whole thread is what happens when rules are not clear cut crystal and that on top of it, you have people without education/respect/ morality (insert whatever you want), some *rules* shouldnt need to be written they are common sense, unfortunately, as long as this kind of grey zone exists, nothing will change, a possible solution ? to late for any. Maybe implement a max number of people being reward....let say...first 10 ? the rest will get nothing out of it and make resetting impossible. I am pretty sure people wont bother killing when they see already 10 are there....I know only LS/FC will get those...but isnt that what hunts were meant for in the first place ? to hunt in group....eh?

Just me though these* Hunts* in their current conceptions are the worst possible thing that could happen to the game..

Just my opinion though you dont need to agree or disagree just my vision of it

As for reporting, it will get down to what we got with the kick abuse, SE will simply wash their hands and dont bother with it, it is called the ostrich politic.

Mei

[PixelPirate]

Just me though these* Hunts* in their current conceptions are the worst possible thing that could happen to the game..

Just my opinion though you dont need to agree or disagree just my vision of it

As for reporting, it will get down to what we got with the kick abuse, SE will simply wash their hands and dont bother with it, it is called the ostrich politic.

Mei

I agree it's a ridiculous system and just about the worst thing they've launched. However, I have to disagree about the reporting thing. If somebody resets by accident, obviously that can't be an infraction. If they set so friends can get credit - BUT - they don't utter a single word about it... Don't bother reporting. However, if you see /laughing or /shouts about how fun it is to eff up everyones day, they will get banned, it's that simple folks.

[Appleh4x]

malicious or not malicious intend...that is the whole question. This whole thread is what happens when rules are not clear cut crystal and that on top of it, you have people without education/respect/ morality (insert whatever you want), some *rules* shouldnt need to be written they are common sense, unfortunately, as long as this kind of grey zone exists, nothing will change, a possible solution ? to late for any. Maybe implement a max number of people being reward....let say...

I thought the same thing based off the first few things the GM said, but that isn't the case. He basically replied to me and said that resetting at all is punishable if anyone is affected by it, regardless of actual intent. He worded it so cryptically though that I still might be wrong IDK