Why bother with ATMA now?

[Daniolaut]

Why bother with ATMA now?.

I have been playing this game and enjoying it. There are so many things to do and i have a lot of fun every time i sign in.

Me personally i've noticed, as i gear each and every job, WAR, PLD, WHM, SCH, DRG, MNK, BLM, SMN that i find myself throwing away a lot of gear. Its not convertible, its not Grand Company provision-able, its not sellable. The only thing i know to do is just toss it.

I have 1 Novus (WAR) 1 Animus (PLD) and 2 Atma (WHM, MNK) and working to obtain all 9, (all 10 when they release Ninja.)

Why?

Because this is the only gear that is upgradeable and not something that i would just toss to the ground. High allagan, toss to the ground in 2.4, allagan, toss to the ground in 2.3, Darklight, toss to the ground in 2.0 etc etc. The only piece of gear thus far worth keeping would be your relic.

That is why you might want to 'bother' with ATMA now.

[Llyren]

You can obtain better weapons now without the stupid ridiculous grind. Even Everquest from 1999 didn,t have a grind like this, plus I think its stupid that were grinding for ATMA items from low lvl FATES.

Why doesn't our epic weapons drop from epic bosses?????????????????????????.
Wouldn't that make sense? O no I need to farm lvl 4 fates,LOL LOL

15 years later and Everquest still has a better loot system than this crap.

I remember when they added the epic quests to Everquest. I'm pretty sure the first atma weapons showed up in a much shorter timeframe then the first, oh Mage epic for example. Heck, even faster then the first Rogue epic That was Everquest in 2000 though

[Mjytresz]

I have been playing this game and enjoying it. There are so many things to do and i have a lot of fun every time i sign in.

Me personally i've noticed, as i gear each and every job, WAR, PLD, WHM, SCH, DRG, MNK, BLM, SMN that i find myself throwing away a lot of gear. Its not convertible, its not Grand Company provision-able, its not sellable. The only thing i know to do is just toss it.

I have 1 Novus (WAR) 1 Animus (PLD) and 2 Atma (WHM, MNK) and working to obtain all 9, (all 10 when they release Ninja.)

Why?

Because this is the only gear that is upgradeable and not something that i would just toss to the ground. High allagan, toss to the ground in 2.4, allagan, toss to the ground in 2.3, Darklight, toss to the ground in 2.0 etc etc. The only piece of gear thus far worth keeping would be your relic.

That is why you might want to 'bother' with ATMA now.

The difference is:
With a Relic, you upgrade it into a new one.
Which is the equivalent of throwing the old relic away and getting a new one.

The only difference is the amount of time and effort required. Do you want to run Leviathan EX tons of times or would you rather blow 3 weeks of FATE grinding and Myth grinding?

[Daniolaut]

The difference is:
With a Relic, you upgrade it into a new one.
Which is the equivalent of throwing the old relic away and getting a new one.

The only difference is the amount of time and effort required. Do you want to run Leviathan EX tons of times or would you rather blow 3 weeks of FATE grinding and Myth grinding?

Levi X is i95.

Novus is a customizable i110 weapon, and will become the Zodiac weapon which will be the most powerful weapon in the game.

I dont "throw away" my Zenith and then farm to obtain Atma, I upgrade it. If you didnt need a Zenith to obtain an Atma your statement would be correct but you must have the zenith to obtain the Atma, then must have the Atma to obtain the Animus etc etc. So no i'd have to disagree with your statement.

I see your point, in saying that the way to obtain them is different and youre right.

I can farm Levi X for 15 months and rarely see a specific weapon drop and then lose it to another player, or i can do content step by step and ensure I obtain the weapon.

Also please dont say "well you could never obtain an atma weapon cause the drops are terrible." I have 4 atma weapons atm. Its not that time consuming at all. And yes i did have trouble with some drops for each weapon.

[Jican]

I can't wait for the threads to start from all the people that are totally against relic>atmas>novus come to find out in future patches that it'll turn into the best weapon in game for that class. Then they'll cry tears of blood and demand it be easier to upgrade them since it takes so long to do it now, even if you are on top of it each patch. Going to love seeing those threads.

[Black91CRX]

I'd rather have the Novus anyway. It shows I put effort/dedication into it. It wasn't simply a quick buy or dropped from a carry. That may not matter to most but It's rewarding in my eyes.

[OldGeezer]

So in patch 15.9 relic will be ilvl190 while the best coil weapon is 185, still i don't think many endgame raiders will do it since its just too much of a boring grind for too less reward...

Nothing will ever make me start the relic quest. I prefer to get my gear through fighting hard bosses not mindlessly grinding over and over again..

Isn't that what raids are? Grinding the same bosses again and again, week after week. The only difference is the level of execution. I spent over 3 months on T1-T4 and didn't get a drop thanks to RNG. Is that any more futile than grinding FATES for ATMA? Sure, you got myth but there were other ways to get that too. I just started hunts on Saturday and by tonight I will finish my 4th Zodiac book. While waiting for the Zodiac FATES I've bagged another 3 atma for my next atma weapon. I can save the soldiery for 3 pieces of i100 gear for my alt. It's a very streamlined process if you use your time wisely.

[Mjytresz]

Levi X is i95.

Novus is a customizable i110 weapon, and will become the Zodiac weapon which will be the most powerful weapon in the game.

I dont "throw away" my Zenith and then farm to obtain Atma, I upgrade it. If you didnt need a Zenith to obtain an Atma your statement would be correct but you must have the zenith to obtain the Atma, then must have the Atma to obtain the Animus etc etc. So no i'd have to disagree with your statement.

I see your point, in saying that the way to obtain them is different and youre right.

I can farm Levi X for 15 months and rarely see a specific weapon drop and then lose it to another player, or i can do content step by step and ensure I obtain the weapon.

Also please dont say "well you could never obtain an atma weapon cause the drops are terrible." I have 4 atma weapons atm. Its not that time consuming at all. And yes i did have trouble with some drops for each weapon.

That....the analogy.
When you upgrade, you're throwing the old one away for a new one.
When you grind a new weapon, it's the same thing.
The difference is the time involved.

In fact, I think you'll miss the point of that too.
When you upgraded to Atma, where did your Zenith go? Obviously not in your inventory or retainers, so we're left to assume that the Zenith is gone and the Atma took its place. Which is the equivalent to straight up getting a new weapon.

I wouldn't care if Novus was i666, I probably still wouldn't grind it.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

That....the analogy.
When you upgrade, you're throwing the old one away for a new one.
When you grind a new weapon, it's the same thing.
The difference is the time involved.

In fact, I think you'll miss the point of that too.
When you upgraded to Atma, where did your Zenith go? Obviously not in your inventory or retainers, so we're left to assume that the Zenith is gone and the Atma took its place. Which is the equivalent to straight up getting a new weapon.

There's actually a vendor in the game that will sell you the previous incarnations of your relic weapon, but what makes the relic weapons unique to any other upgrade is that you have to follow the line of progression. In normal players, this creates a sort of awe, and bonding to the weapon, especially since it's customizable in it's Novus form.

Atma farming is hardly the worst thing that people have been grinding in this game. If you hate going from FATE to FATE where the atma RNG can have you pinging around anywhere from 15 min to 48 hours. The exception though is that you don't have to be on consecutively to grind the Atmas and you can take breaks to dungeon or do tasks with friends. After the Atmas you get the Zodiac Books which require you to do certain specific FATES, some of which have 4 hour cooldowns in addition to requiring a party in order to accomplish since they are easily failed (I'm looking at you "Enmity of my Enemy").

This isn't to say that these are impossible though, and to be honest, it's really not hard to get the alternatives that can be obtained through farming Hunts now. Regardless of what you may think now, I can 100% assure you that at some point in this game's future, the Zodiac weapons will be the strongest option due to the massive amount of work it takes to upgrade them. As more and more steps are added on, it becomes less and less worthwhile for newer players or players who simply chose not to upgrade their weapon. Even one of the developers mentioned that he did not expect very many people to complete a relic weapon all the way to it's final form.

[Crxssroad]

I think the question is better answered with another question. What kind of player are you?

Depending on your answer, you'll have answered the your other question. People who see the ATMA grind and think "I'm not getting enough reward for the grind" aren't seeing the secondary value of the relic weapon. It's not just a "weapon with decent stats" it's part of Eorzea's lore and your character's progression as a citizen of Eorzea. People who prefer Coil weapons are just a different kind of player. They're more focused on the "mmo-g" part of the "mmorpg". Regardless of where relic weapons will stand at the end of FF14's life, whether they're the best or secondary to an epic boss drop, they present a different experience for the people who oversee its progression.


Myself, I'm only going to focus on one relic weapon and will, most likely, proceed with "less tedious" means of procuring weapons for my other classes because I see both sides of the issue. It does seem an ineffective way of becoming stronger, but it's also part of the experience.