Why bother with ATMA now?

[AIex]

because this (in my opinion) is retarded

This. That is all

[Dalvy]

So let me get this straight:

relic weapon will have to keep updating in order to catch up with coil weapons. By the time you get to, say, ilv215 Coil weapons, relic will have add an extension grind to the chain to compensate. That means if you start from the beginning, that's one incredibly long grind to keep your relic up-to-date. Who really benefits from this?

[AIex]

So let me get this straight:

relic weapon will have to keep updating in order to catch up with coil weapons. By the time you get to, say, ilv215 Coil weapons, relic will have add an extension grind to the chain to compensate. That means if you start from the beginning, that's one incredibly long grind to keep your relic up-to-date. Who really benefits from this?

People who can't beat coils due to various issues. (ie. they're bad, or they just rp, or their connection is bad, etc...)

[blacksheepwall]

I got to the 2nd book stage before I gave it up before I gave the game up. It was the most miserable gaming experiences I've ever had and I've been playing games since the days of the Spectrum.

[SirTaint]

Coil also doesn't guarantee drops. You could farm coil every week and never see your weapon drop. The RNG in coil or horrible. The relic quest at least guarantees you get a near top weapon. Once HA sword drops I'll have all 3 i110-115 PLD weapons and won't regret it at all.

[MythToken]

SE gave the player base multiple options to get to the same place. or close to the same place. There is no right way to play the game.

Do you have to do Animus? no...
Do you have to do Coil? no....

Can you do both? yes...

Does one marginalize the other? no....

[Dalvy]

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Being bad/having a bad connection is irrelevant when people have options as to how they want to go about getting their coil weapon, i.e. forming your own team of people who don't care that you're bad. Yes, those exist.

I'm talking about newbies in the future who look at the quest chain length, and wonder whether it's worth the time spent. Most of us have had the benefit of farming tokens with a massive amount of people all doing the same objectives. Future newbies will not have that initial rush to help them quickly farm what they need. Their time spent getting to current would have been much longer--it's just like starting a new game late into an expansion. Personally, if you wanted something close to BiS that badly, it's time better spent attempting coil weapons.

RNG in coil is also irrelevant, because you're doing the exact same thing with Atma & Alexandrite. Atma drop rate threads, anyone?

[SirTaint]

RNG in coil is also irrelevant, because you're doing the exact same thing with Atma & Alexandrite. Atma drop rate threads, anyone?

They are totally different. Locked out RNG vs spamable content. Tonight is my 14th week of coil2 and I have zero left side fending drops. They haven't dropped a single time for my static. Players have no control over the RNG and have one shot a week.

ATMA farming I was very unlucky with central shroud taking over 18hrs. But after 15ish days of spamming I was done. Alex aren't even comparable. They are guaranteed from a quest, can be purchased with myth and lastly can be RNG fate farmed.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Just know that the Sol weapon will likely never be upgraded, whereas Novus is not the end of the Relic line.

This is entirely possible. However, if SE decides to stop providing alternatives, then not only are they doubling back on that practice, but they'll be bottle-necking progression, if not slowing it down for everyone. Novus got pushed back once before because "not enough players had Animus weapons". Do you think they'd want to shoot themselves in the foot like so once again? The gap will only widen. And if players are forced to close the gap, as things stand right now, they'll have an even bigger problem later.

Sol weapons may not get upgrades, and that's fine. But if no other options are provided, especially as new gear and expansions and weapons are released, well, that would just be bad game design.

[Seoulstar]

So in patch 15.9 relic will be ilvl190 while the best coil weapon is 185, still i don't think many endgame raiders will do it since its just too much of a boring grind for too less reward.

Usually by the time you have your relic maxed for the patch raiders have weapons for their subclasses.

Nothing will ever make me start the relic quest. I prefer to get my gear through fighting hard bosses not mindlessly grinding over and over again..

Well you're still grinding when doing coil. T5 for instance, it's the same boss doing the same thing each time you fight him.