So resetting's against the rules now?

[Aegis]

To be honest, that's how it should be. Even hunt groups portray that exact mentality. Who's the one that shouts in the zone? Not the hunt group, it's the solo player. Members of the LS/FC might tell their friends about something, and that's acceptable by everyone, but there's still the exclusive nature that if you're not part of them, you have little rights of say on the matter. Which is where the flaw starts to come to light. The concern is only for those that are part of your circle, even if it is 100 people, it's still a concern for ONLY your own. Telling or implying that a smaller outside group essentially has no right to pull something, when your specific circle is not around, is bullying and promoting a monopoly by only you and yours. You may not see it that way because you're part of the larger group, but it IS seen that way by the smaller party. Just like with actual RL bullying, the one doing it often does not see it that way, despite the clear indication that it is by the victim. Obviously, this is a video game and not essentially the same as bullying IRL, but the similarities really are evident.

My circle is the whole server.

I never said they have no right to, just that it's selfish to. Also, that's some Minitru level of doublethink. By encouraging people to wait to allow others to contribute you're encouraging a monopoly? wat?

But if you got there late, and a different party is well into the fight itself, you're not as righteous as you might think you are if you decide to reset so that your group can get there for full credit. Now if you admit to it being a bad/messed up action for doing this, then I can just drop the argument on it because... there's no need to go further. If however, you still view this as a purely positive thing, then wow...

I do agree with this. But can you agree that there are circumstances where resetting the mob can have no negative impact on anyone and be a net benefit to the server or do you believe that resetting is a purely negative thing in all circumstances because, wow...

[Welsper59]

My circle is the whole server.

I never said they have no right to, just that it's selfish to. Also, that's some Minitru level of doublethink. By encouraging people to wait to allow others to contribute you're encouraging a monopoly? wat?

You, in no way shape or form, are "encouraging" others by resetting their claim (which you nor any other group) were around at the time of pull. No one is obligated to wait for you. Just like you are not obligated to wait for random strangers to reach the target (as per my earlier statement). How is it "encouraging" behavior to disrupt the efforts of others by resetting it when they were the only ones of claim at the time?

I don't think you have much of an idea of how a monopoly works. It's not restricted to simply owning a single item/strategy/etc. Purposely demoralizing competition (perhaps by aggravating them, in this case) is a tactic of monopoly and is clearly an action of grief. When you feel you are in the right to take away the in-place efforts of others so that you can control the flow, you are promoting and encouraging a monopoly. You are taking the same stance, methods, and philosophy as RMT in ignoring this fact.

I do agree with this. But can you agree that there are circumstances where resetting the mob can have no negative impact on anyone and be a net benefit to the server or do you believe that resetting is a purely negative thing in all circumstances because, wow...

Oh definitely. I can think of one immediate scenario to agree with on that right now. That being someone pulling ahead of a proposed time of a neutral target.

There is never going to be a "purely" negative scenario, as the people committing the wrong will benefit, not caring at all if others do or do not get the rewards they would have otherwise. Someone may think they have control over that, but you really don't and it just can't be done with total certainty at any given situation. Which is why the best thing to do is NOT bother with the reset of people that were there before you or yours. Meaning if you or anyone else is late, you lose (sorta... you could still get full credit or at least partial... just like the people you would have otherwise reset off of would). That's the wishful beauty of the current way it was made. You could tag in midway through the fight and still benefit. You were not supposed to come in mid-fight, reset the efforts of people before you, and then make sure you would get full claim along the way. You don't essentially have the right to take from them their efforts just because you were late to the party. It doesn't matter whether or not the original group gets full credit in the end, as it's the principle of the matter that's at play. Failure to see that just... it's a sad day if that were the case.