Because of Hunts~~

[Xatsh]

Because of hunts, I have canceled my subscription.
Because of hunts, I know people who can't even finish Garuda EX who now have i110 gear across the board and have no idea how to play their class.

Know how when everyone talks of XI, they say the downfall started with Abyssea and how it ruined the game? People will be saying the same thing with Hunts for XIV. I'm severely disappointed XIV already has gotten the Abyssea treatment.

I have 7 people in my FC who did not quit because they added hunts. They were ready to quit because of the endless instance spam.

SE needs to balance content where everything has some BIS gear. Or people will simply go to the most effective course.

Hunts are the best way to get sands and oils outside coil2. So people spam it.

People do coil 2 because it drops BIS gear.

People do not do Garuda EX, because all it drops is vanity gear. <= There is your real problem not hunts

[Dyvid]

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Personally, I could less on how you geared up or what items you possess. I'm still rolling in weathered and a little CT. But I also know you don't give raid quality gear from casual content, then expect players to do challenging content like Coil or EX Trials for the same quality gear. Here in this game time doesn't equal reward. It's skill and knowledge first and foremost while gear takes a backseat. You could have an ilvl of 110 and still get killed by Twintania or Garuda EX. Happens all the time. Honestly vertical gear progression seems out of place in this game.

[Taruranto]

Because of hunts, I have canceled my subscription.
Because of hunts, I know people who can't even finish Garuda EX who now have i110 gear across the board and have no idea how to play their class..

Yes, that's hunts fault. Not echo, DL carries or level 100 items from vendors. Riiiiight.

Before hunts everyone knew how to play their classes. I swear.

[Magis]

Yes, that's hunts fault. Not echo, DL carries or level 100 items from vendors. Riiiiight.

Before hunts everyone knew how to play their classes. I swear.

Isn't echo buff gear i90?

[Taruranto]

Isn't echo buff gear i90?

Uh? Echo buffs you healing, dmg taken/deal by 5/10/25%.

Either way that's not the point. Even before hunts you got ppl who didn't know how to play their job, since everything is handled to you. Hunts didn't change much, you just get myth faster.

[Caelie]

People do not do Garuda EX, because all it drops is vanity gear. <= There is your real problem not hunts

You missed the point. I am saying people can't finish EX content, even if they try, since they have no idea how to play their class. These people can be in roulettes, or anything else. They just zergrush for their final endgame gear and have no idea how to play, because they never had to. They never had to know how to properly tank/heal/DPS since they received all of their gear from hunts. You no longer need skill to have almost the best gear in the game, and that totally defeats the entire purpose of having said gear in the first place.

And these are the people I have to do endgame content with? What's worse is when you try to offer criticism on how to play their job, they tell you to mind your own business or kick you because you're a few ilevels below them.

[Jasiwel]

I also want to throw in that prior to Hunts, going into ThornmarchEx, LeviEx, TitanEx and T5 was incredibly awkward for me. I wasn't even geared poorly (i92 DRG), but I didn't know the fights due to not being able to run them often given how long the Queues were anyways. Then going into one I'd die or miss an important mechanic and everyone would Vote Abandon in two wipes. Going into PF was worse because I had to still learn how to do the mechanics (you can only read/watch guides so much) and then the elitists would bitch up a storm.

I think saying Hunts ruining the game is overdramatic. Prior to them I couldn't even learn the fights because the queue times were no different and the elitists would prevent me from PF. I have an FC, but we usually didn't have enough people online at once to run the EXs back then.

What I'm really trying to say is that the situation is still hardly any better than before. The problems are different, but I've seen as many "I'm quitting" threads/notices from Hunts as I saw from issues before this patch.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Yes, that's hunts fault. Not echo, DL carries or level 100 items from vendors. Riiiiight.

Before hunts everyone knew how to play their classes. I swear.

Dude, you're a dramaqueen. Stop overreaction over people's responses. Caelie, for example, didn't state that these problems are because of the hunting ALONE, but it implies that it contributes to an already existing "problem". If you love hunts, and you think they're perfectly balanced, FEAR NOT, this thread won't change that aspect of the game. I only trust the devs could see this as a future reference for the next patch.

[Kaaylryn]

So, we have had 5 end game item levels since launch, Ilvl70 (darklight), Ilvl80 (CT), Ilvl90 and now Ilvl100 and Ilvl110 in around a year. Although I praise SE for giving us frequent updates, perhaps the frequency of Ilvl updates has created this problem. SE is hell bent on having gear upgrades available to everyone before the next major patch, which is great for those casual or fresh 50 players. The problem is the frequency.

So lets say that 50% of the player base has cleared T9. There is a limited number of oils and sands that drop in SCOB, plus a weekly lockout, so to expect all the player base to have all the current Ilvl110 gear by 2.4 is unreasonable at best and that is for those who have or can actually clear SCOB.

The only expeditious way to get this done was by doing the hunt system or something equivalent. SE always seems to be scrambling to level the playing field so everyone can enjoy the new content. On one hand I think this is a lofty idea on the other it is a self perpetuating nightmare. If they cannot create content that can be cleared by at least 90% of the player base before the next major, Ilvl raising release, then we will always have this scenario.

They can do one of 2 things, IMO. Make end game face roll easy or slow down the gear progression. They cannot keep this pace in perpetuity without seriously degrading the game and the erosion has already begun.

[Taruranto]

Dude, you're a dramaqueen. Stop overreaction over people's responses. Caelie, for example, didn't state that these problems are because of the hunting ALONE, but it implies that it contributes to an already existing "problem". If you love hunts, and you think they're perfectly balanced, FEAR NOT, this thread won't change that aspect of the game. I only trust the devs could see this as a future reference for the next patch.

lol

They never had to know how to properly tank/heal/DPS since they received all of their gear from hunts.

Please, it's horseshit and you know it. People who don't know how to play their job were created by the whole game system that carried you to 50, echo buff, level 100 gears handled from vendors, myth ilevel 90 gears handled from vendors. Hunts didn't change shit.

This is the fanbase that though Pharos Sirius was HARD.