[dev1021]SP in non-leve parties

[AlexiaKidd]

If they change GA to be used outside of leves it is better if it is made for a set amount of SP boost 10k or something, that way everyone will be able to use it fully. Like if something comes up and you have to leave when you come back it will still be active for whatever you have left of the 10k SP boost. This also stops parties who can kill really quick from having too much of an advantage over a time based system.

[Iron]

Well people partied at the beginning because of few things...

1. At the time there was no such thing as "leve linking"
2. SP had no cap (fixed by thm/cnj groups spamming cures on themselves in mass parties)
3. People felt.. ffxiv was ffxiv-2 and exp groups was the thing so they made groups.
4. There was no SP penalty really for having 15man group killing stuff.

The SP/exp from leve's and behest was low, because you can't link it, and everyone got basically the same 200-300ish SP per kill no matter how many had that same leve.

Best was to get a group and sit and kill 300-500SP mobs for countless hours.

The day leve's SP was boosted by leve link (think somewhere in november around the static SP changes) leve groups became "the thing" to do because you can link it, and slowly behest with that because its right there.



SE has a few choices though to change this issue...

1. Reduce leve link SP (will really make people angry currently playing)
2. Boost SP from normal mobs (makes everyone happy), probably not as happy as 1000 SP per kill with GA Dunes folk for dinner leve
3. Change GA to where, instead of a temp buff for a leve boosting SP, its changed to an 2 hour? Exp buff for normal monsters. (goes away if you start a leve/behest)
Or maybe like every 10 GA points = 1 hour, max of 4 hours.

I don't really mind a nerf of leve linking SP IF they at the same time boost SP from normal mobs. This would make it more balanced.. People would have an alternative way of SPing and not feel FORCED to do guildleves for ranking up.

I've always thought guildleves were boring anyway. Instead of giving us 8 repetitive and boring leves to do, they could give us less leves, but make them more challenging and interesting.. Quality over Quantity!! Well that's another topic.

[Xatsh]

This is something that the devs really need to focus on in my opinion. Many players are only logging on to do leves atm because when they try to find a party the search is always empty. No one partys up outside Leves and Behest... which means you really only have at the most 4hrs of playtime a day and it is sorta dependent on when your ls can be on.

I think they should leave leve sp where it is, but I think they need to increase Group grind sp to come close to matching it. Simply adding a chain bonus like in XI I feel would do this.

People who are limited on time can do Leves, they give gil rewards, faction credits for the nms, and some armor as an incentive. But FFXIV still really lacks a group focus outside those and I think that is one reasons many FFXI players have went back to FFXI.

There are alot of people who group play, the polls show that in Eu and Na people want to group up. I feel this would be a good move to help that.

[Alexandrious]

"YOUR SP GRIPING IS FORFEIT TO ME!"

Yanno, I should just put that in sig. But yea, need to find a way to make people wanna group besides nerfing dobs. Even though I still have no trouble sping.

[Bethor]

If they really change the SP from those normal mobs & grinding, it is needed to add a LFG tool once again. And of course apprioriate camps. Sometimes I'm running around trying to find mobs for a decent camp for 2-3 peoples. But once you start killing those, they either a) repop utterly slow or b) repop as a mob which is totally off of your level range.

Once there are static camps with decent repop timers, they can change the SP stuff and of course the LFG option. But I'm also against gimping leve SP. A friend of mine and me are playing mainly @ weekends and we always use up our GA and link those leves. The SP are decent but nothing from being superior.

I'm not sure how effective it is with linking more than 3 ppls and stuff. Our LS was doing leves on a regular basis but not in our level range. But we'll see how SE is going to fix this. Maybe they'll counter the SPing issues with those dungeon features where you can actually gain good SP and fight bosses for items :O

[TubalaTrommler]

You can already get 20K+/hr in 5-8man r44-50 parties on raptors. The problem is that the entire boulder downs area can only support one group due to the way repops work, and all alternative mobs are worse sp. So its not a matter of changing how much sp you get per kill, but the difficulty of different mob types and the quantity of mobs in any given area.

[Luhy]

Can you please find a way to encourage traditional partying more?

At the start of the game, we had relatively more "normal" parties for SPing, on efts, raptors ,etc. Not saying that there are none now, but with Battle Guildleves providing more SP, as well as behests being somewhat more appealing than before, there has been a lack of SP groups..

Please find the right balance between the 2 (Now I'm not saying to nerf SP from leves, just improve SP in regular groups) so that regular parties are encouraged more..

Not sure what server you're on, but on mine, there are no regular parties any more. There hasn't been one in months at any rank.

[Alegis]

I would prefer SP-parties too.
But they have to get a better party-search/member-search in first.

[chopchop]

Could a mod move this to the appropriate forum?

It seems that most people who replied to it more or less agree that regular SP parties need to be encouraged somehow.

There's another related thread here

[Rentahamster]

Well, you can get anywhere from 10k to almost 20k per hour grinding raptors. We just need to make a larger variety of mobs more grindable, primarily by increasing respawn rates, mob populations, and increasing base SP to 150 for more mobs.