Level 50 Little buds

[Brine_Gildchaff]

I agree, being told/explained by someone prior to the fight (or "chatting" with someone to guide you through) is always great for preparation, but my beef is actually on watching the whole fight on youtube, would be spoiling the whole surprise, IMO.

True. Some fights are tricky to explain though. Like trying to tell an off-tank who hasn't even bothered to pick up a guide how to off-tank BCoB Turn 4. >> Yeah, had that on DF once while I was chasing an Allagan Ring of Healing. The whole group was -very- displeased.

[monochromicorn]

i always blind learn, if you want to kick me, go ahead, ill just requeue, doesnt bother me one bit. if i dont learn the fight that way, i wont understand it. not everyone will be able to perform their best by watching a few videos. i will learn where i need to stand, when i need to heal, how powerful the heal needs to be (cure 1/2), when is the time that i need to move to whatever spot. i wont be able to retain that if i just watch a video before the fight. it doesnt really help a lot of people as much as you think it does, becuse, when i grew up, there was no easy way to learn it, you actually worked to learn.

[Stridentzephon]

This is so true in so many aspects of the gaming era theses days. It gets to the point where you almost want to solo most of the content. Drives me nuts. Its one of the reasons why Yoshi said he did not want to add highend gear that had stats like FFXI. It would further the divide amount players for not having certain equipment.

Mechanics can be learned but forcing someone to have gear for content and from content they haven't even done is beyond me. Everyone starts out fresh and have to gear up. FFXI players knew that and up til abyssea we accepted when a player showed up under geared to EXP or content clear. Now its just stupid.

I remember when they showed up to exp. Tbh those where the fun parties. Enjoyed those parties more then the burn parties where you couldn't even shoot the shits with you party members.

[Elim]

i always blind learn, if you want to kick me, go ahead, ill just requeue, doesnt bother me one bit. if i dont learn the fight that way, i wont understand it. not everyone will be able to perform their best by watching a few videos. i will learn where i need to stand, when i need to heal, how powerful the heal needs to be (cure 1/2), when is the time that i need to move to whatever spot. i wont be able to retain that if i just watch a video before the fight. it doesnt really help a lot of people as much as you think it does, becuse, when i grew up, there was no easy way to learn it, you actually worked to learn.

If you're in a raid/trial that type of learning will suck for your partner healer. He'll have to carry you till you learn. But to each their own. If I'm not happy with a team I'll just leave. I don't put up a fuss because it never helps anything.

[monochromicorn]

If you're in a raid/trial that type of learning will suck for your partner healer. He'll have to carry you till you learn. But to each their own. If I'm not happy with a team I'll just leave. I don't put up a fuss because it never helps anything.

ive never been carried. the most the other healer has done is swiftcast+raise. i immediately heal myself cwith cure2, use regen and start healing other people. dont claim that i get carried just because dont want to play with someone who doesnt know the fight. the only time where i have been in a raid/dungeon, and we didnt win, was garuda ex, and one of our dps was having a bad connection and we couldnt kill the adds fast enough. it doesnt take a lot to learn what needs to be done when you actually do it, at least not me, because thats how i grew up learning it. it might be hard for you to understand, relying on others for learning everything.

[Elim]

ive never been carried. the most the other healer has done is swiftcast+raise. i immediately heal myself cwith cure2, use regen and start healing other people. dont claim that i get carried just because dont want to play with someone who doesnt know the fight. the only time where i have been in a raid/dungeon, and we didnt win, was garuda ex, and one of our dps was having a bad connection and we couldnt kill the adds fast enough. it doesnt take a lot to learn what needs to be done when you actually do it, at least not me, because thats how i grew up learning it. it might be hard for you to understand, relying on others for learning everything.

There are one-hit mechanics. If you don't know about them you can die and in the end wipe the team unless your partner can pick up the slack. You may not be giving enough credit to your partner healers for being able to keep the team up while you're dead or through the extra damage you'll take from learning blind. I think it's unfair not to realize how much harder your partner will have to work because of your playstyle. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't do it.

I claim it because I don't think you have figured out about every single one-hit before they happened. Also I'm assuming you've cleared or attempted all the extreme primals, coil1 and coil2.

[monochromicorn]

I claim it because I don't think you have figured out about every single one-hit before they happened.

in some cases, i have been hit by the one-hit kill, and i dont try to take credit from the other healer. could i do it without them? no, but that is why they are designed for 2 healers, not 1. could they heal it without me, most likely not. like i said, aside from the raise, i dont receive hlep from the other healer. if anything, that run i carried the other healer. there was a constant medica 2(the other healer), they never used shroud of saints, so they ran out of mp in first 3 minutes. did we ever win? no. we couldnt kill the adds, due to the dc of one of our dps, so we were dead no matter what. i only got hit by the killer move 2 times. the first time, i learned what the arena looked like when it was about to hit. the second was me not noticing the change fast enough.

[Phyllo]

Ew, it kinda suck you got that kind of guy in your party, nice job on easing up the tension ^^
Many can't pull it off and remain frustrated due to guys like that, if someone does something that oppresses you or many, don't be afraid to speak up and make em shut their mouth!

Elim, you know, the only way I found to make this game somewhat more difficult and enjoyable is to just react, not trying to learn beforehand nor learn the boss's rotation, just react.
I know all of their attack but never bothered learning their pattern after I realized how easy it makes it, turns out I still get hit or die rarely (I use to be a dragoon before I switched server and went war) and when I do I know why and don't make the same mistake twice (except when it's due to latency or me doing some weird shit like running right into the aoe instead of running away, it don't know why myself xD)
Each of us have their own play style, you can't force one on the others.

[Elim]

if anything, that run i carried the other healer. .

You're talking about one trial you did in this part of the reply, right? I'm talking about all raids and trials.

But the problem is you do receive more help than "just a raise". In the time you're dead, res'd(and needing to regen mana) the other healer has to compensate for you. Some fights have more than one one-hit mechanic.

By saying you aren't receiving that much help from your other healer, in my eyes, you're not giving them enough credit. I don't think that's fair. That is, of course, just my opinion.

Each of us have their own play style, you can't force one on the others.

I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone. I'm voicing my opinion on a playstyle. She or he can do whatever he wants.

[Malzian]

Wow... yeah, I've been on some really crappy DF Ultima HM runs, never with a psycho healer like that. I will admit that if you have a severely undergeared tank, like still in AF gear and using a GC weapon, you're very unlikely to succeed since a tank geared like that will die with the first few hits of taking aggro on that particular boss. Of course, I've also had plenty of runs where people simply refused to listen when you gave them advice and continued to do the same stupid stuff over and over. It's the risk you take getting a DF run, sadly... you'll run into some great people and you'll run into some reaaaaaally crappy people. Everyone was new once, and even watching a video doesn't prep you for the moment all the time. Gratz on your eventual win, must have been awesome, know I've had runs where we all thought we'd lost and we end up winning against all odds.