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    Quote Originally Posted by monochromicorn View Post
    i always blind learn, if you want to kick me, go ahead, ill just requeue, doesnt bother me one bit. if i dont learn the fight that way, i wont understand it. not everyone will be able to perform their best by watching a few videos. i will learn where i need to stand, when i need to heal, how powerful the heal needs to be (cure 1/2), when is the time that i need to move to whatever spot. i wont be able to retain that if i just watch a video before the fight. it doesnt really help a lot of people as much as you think it does, becuse, when i grew up, there was no easy way to learn it, you actually worked to learn.
    If you're in a raid/trial that type of learning will suck for your partner healer. He'll have to carry you till you learn. But to each their own. If I'm not happy with a team I'll just leave. I don't put up a fuss because it never helps anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    If you're in a raid/trial that type of learning will suck for your partner healer. He'll have to carry you till you learn. But to each their own. If I'm not happy with a team I'll just leave. I don't put up a fuss because it never helps anything.
    ive never been carried. the most the other healer has done is swiftcast+raise. i immediately heal myself cwith cure2, use regen and start healing other people. dont claim that i get carried just because dont want to play with someone who doesnt know the fight. the only time where i have been in a raid/dungeon, and we didnt win, was garuda ex, and one of our dps was having a bad connection and we couldnt kill the adds fast enough. it doesnt take a lot to learn what needs to be done when you actually do it, at least not me, because thats how i grew up learning it. it might be hard for you to understand, relying on others for learning everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monochromicorn View Post
    ive never been carried. the most the other healer has done is swiftcast+raise. i immediately heal myself cwith cure2, use regen and start healing other people. dont claim that i get carried just because dont want to play with someone who doesnt know the fight. the only time where i have been in a raid/dungeon, and we didnt win, was garuda ex, and one of our dps was having a bad connection and we couldnt kill the adds fast enough. it doesnt take a lot to learn what needs to be done when you actually do it, at least not me, because thats how i grew up learning it. it might be hard for you to understand, relying on others for learning everything.
    There are one-hit mechanics. If you don't know about them you can die and in the end wipe the team unless your partner can pick up the slack. You may not be giving enough credit to your partner healers for being able to keep the team up while you're dead or through the extra damage you'll take from learning blind. I think it's unfair not to realize how much harder your partner will have to work because of your playstyle. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't do it.

    I claim it because I don't think you have figured out about every single one-hit before they happened. Also I'm assuming you've cleared or attempted all the extreme primals, coil1 and coil2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    I claim it because I don't think you have figured out about every single one-hit before they happened.
    in some cases, i have been hit by the one-hit kill, and i dont try to take credit from the other healer. could i do it without them? no, but that is why they are designed for 2 healers, not 1. could they heal it without me, most likely not. like i said, aside from the raise, i dont receive hlep from the other healer. if anything, that run i carried the other healer. there was a constant medica 2(the other healer), they never used shroud of saints, so they ran out of mp in first 3 minutes. did we ever win? no. we couldnt kill the adds, due to the dc of one of our dps, so we were dead no matter what. i only got hit by the killer move 2 times. the first time, i learned what the arena looked like when it was about to hit. the second was me not noticing the change fast enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monochromicorn View Post
    if anything, that run i carried the other healer. .
    You're talking about one trial you did in this part of the reply, right? I'm talking about all raids and trials.

    But the problem is you do receive more help than "just a raise". In the time you're dead, res'd(and needing to regen mana) the other healer has to compensate for you. Some fights have more than one one-hit mechanic.

    By saying you aren't receiving that much help from your other healer, in my eyes, you're not giving them enough credit. I don't think that's fair. That is, of course, just my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phyllo View Post
    Each of us have their own play style, you can't force one on the others.
    I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone. I'm voicing my opinion on a playstyle. She or he can do whatever he wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    You're talking about one trial you did in this part of the reply, right? I'm talking about all raids and trials.

    But the problem is you do receive more help than "just a raise". In the time you're dead, res'd(and needing to regen mana) the other healer has to compensate for you. Some fights have more than one one-hit mechanic.
    if i still have my shroud of saints, which i do in most cases, then i dont have to wait for my mp and can immediately start healing. by the time its out, i would normally have half mp. not a lot, but that is also while still healing. i get a res with enough mp for a cure 2 and a res. if i can do enough heals, which, even with the first weakness, i can heal for almost 1k with a cure 1, then am i really being carried?not to mention free cure, which is a free cure2 that you can sometimes get for using cure 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by monochromicorn View Post
    if i still have my shroud of saints, which i do in most cases, then i dont have to wait for my mp and can immediately start healing. by the time its out, i would normally have half mp. not a lot, but that is also while still healing. i get a res with enough mp for a cure 2 and a res. if i can do enough heals, which, even with the first weakness, i can heal for almost 1k with a cure 1, then am i really being carried?not to mention free cure, which is a free cure2 that you can sometimes get for using cure 1
    Yes, you're still being carried even if you can do some heals when you get up. That does not negate the time you spend dead or resing. I didn't even bother mentioning weakness because I didn't think I needed to. One way or another, the other healer has to work harder with your playstyle(unless they have the same type). I don't see how that's debatable.
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