Level 50 Little buds

[Elim]

Besides the "I hate you all" part, which sounds made up to me, nothing the healer said was wrong. This is the reason I don't readily give advice to new people. They tend to rip your face off for telling them the truth and trying to help, no matter how nicely you word things.

edit: Let me be more clear. I'm guessing that you're dramatizing some of the things he or she said. The advice s/he gave(that you told us) without the added sass was solid.

[KaitlynOfOz]

Besides the "I hate you all" part, which sounds made up to me, nothing the healer said sounded wrong or bad. This is the reason I don't readily give advice to new people. They tend to rip your face off for telling them the truth and trying to help, no matter how nicely you word things.

Its not so much most of the time that they yell at you, its that they just don't seem to listen. I've healed parties of new people through lots of dungeons and explained mechanics so they don't get hit and some run right into them, repeatedly. Sure there is a learning curve with being told how something works to seeing it for yourself, but when they don't even talk in chat or ask questions its hard to know if you even got through to them. On the flip side there are people who do talk in chat and are friendly and those people get my commendations, the others I tell my LS that no one in a run deserves one.

[k4dz]

I completely enjoyed the read and must point out at the fact that at one point, we ALL started out as a newbie baby... whether you just started your first steps as an adventurer in Eorzea, or taking your big first steps at endgame. Both can be scary and fun, depends on how you enjoy the game, and realize that one important fact, that you yourself was once a beginner.

By doing so, you should be able to appreciate other players who are also starting something for their first time. Doesn't matter whether he/she is either properly equipped for the fight (ilvl requirement, etc), or have watched YouTube prior to the fights (which I gotta say, actually ruins the FUN you could have discovering the challenge you're about to face).

I have also gone through such harsh scenario, but we stuck through it and the experience made it 10x better - I practically loved the game even more after going through such hardship.

Play to Enjoy. Enjoy to Play.
See you in Eorzea!

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Doesn't matter whether he/she is either properly equipped for the fight (ilvl requirement, etc), or have watched YouTube prior to the fights (which I gotta say, actually ruins the FUN you could have discovering the challenge you're about to face).

I have to at least in part object to this. If you don't watch a guide or at least get someone to explain, for later game fights you are -going- to wipe and it -will- be because of a mechanic that -you- weren't prepared to deal with. There's no way to know without being told, for example, that the orbs in Ultima Ballad will wipe the party if they come into contact. There's no way to know without being told that if you're the off-tank, you have to run over and stun the Wavetooth in Levi EX or he'll Hysteria the hell out of the party. (Though I admit having to learn on my own that you have to stun him -before- he starts casting, and that he can be phase-pushed into doing it early... but both of those cost at least a couple of wipes too.) If you're going on DF, chances are you won't have seven people who are okay with wiping repeatedly so you can blind-learn the fight's mechanics. I mean, it's fun sometimes to blind-learn, hell, I did it as a tank for the three new expert dungeons. But I did that with a party of people I knew and were totally okay with me doing that. I would never even dream of making three other people wipe repeatedly on Liavinne while I tried to piece together her core mechanic myself.

I mean, consider a new DPS trying to run T5 without reading anything.
"Okay, dragons, this'll be cool... wait, which one do I attack? ... oh god why am I on fire HEAL PLZ ... okay, those guys are gone... what's this blue symbol on my head WHY AM I ON FIRE AGAIN BUT WITH HALF THE PARTY THIS TIME ... wait, green now? Why's everyone running donw... oh cool the wall kills you if you hit it?"
... you get my point.

tl;dr Blind learning is fun but the DF isn't the place for it; if you want to learn blind find other people who are willing to go through that process.

[k4dz]

... If you don't watch a guide or at least get someone to explain, for later game fights you are -going- to wipe and it -will- be because of a mechanic that -you- weren't prepared to deal with. ...

I agree, being told/explained by someone prior to the fight (or "chatting" with someone to guide you through) is always great for preparation, but my beef is actually on watching the whole fight on youtube, would be spoiling the whole surprise, IMO.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

I agree, being told/explained by someone prior to the fight (or "chatting" with someone to guide you through) is always great for preparation, but my beef is actually on watching the whole fight on youtube, would be spoiling the whole surprise, IMO.

True. Some fights are tricky to explain though. Like trying to tell an off-tank who hasn't even bothered to pick up a guide how to off-tank BCoB Turn 4. >> Yeah, had that on DF once while I was chasing an Allagan Ring of Healing. The whole group was -very- displeased.

[Adler]

Well I seriously don't believe the part of "we all tried to lb and in the end we won" because tanks must swap at 3 stacks to survive and tank must use lb right before 3rd Aetheric boom for party to survive. Also without superb healer the party of new players that have no idea about fight would never reach 3rd Aetheric boom.

I have done Ultima hm with half FC party to help new members get kill and it is impossible for party of new players to just simply win by doing random stuff.