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  1. #31
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    Serious Moonlight
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    I still think they should convert old obsolete progression content into stuff an average DF group can complete. It's not really stepping on a progression-player's toes. It's not giving casuals progression gear. It's not even about the loot, it's about having something to do outside of the dungeons. DF parties often have players who will keep the group from succeeding. And perhaps we should just kick them, but I'd rather it be a more inclusive and friendly experience. And since it's no longer the progression material I don't see why they can't afford players with similar sentiments this small favor.

    Players who proceed to explain how easy the content is don't seem to grasp the level of the average player on DF right now. It's not easy content when you got players face down before the fight even gets going. Perhaps its pitiful, but alot of that old content IS still too hard for the DF.
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  2. #32
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    Ailish Chibi
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    Even with 50% echo in titan hard i have seen people dying.And i dont want to say anything about titan ex lol
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  3. #33
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    Serious Moonlight
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    I farmed tokens from the first 3 extremes before the echo and they seem harder now in DF than ever before. Nobody uses the PF for this stuff anymore because of those hunts.
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  4. #34
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    Depravicus Mana
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    they should just add a tourist mode for people like op. something with toned down one shot mechanics and no loot at the end. that way you can experience the side story at least. if you want the loot then you have to beat the real thing.
    as far as echo for 2nd coil. that will create many many problems rather than solve something for weaker players since the encounters arent designed to acomodate player power inflation at all.
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  5. #35
    Player MeiUshu's Avatar
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    Sophia Sormanu
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    Is echo that much of a gain ? I personally dont believe so, it helps but is not that much of a guaranteed win just because you have a 25 % HP more in the end it is only around 10-15% real HP gain.

    Make it easier no not all, just increase the reaction time slightly and it should fix most of the problems and I dont speak of 2sec just even if only by half a second.

    Just me though

    Mei
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  6. #36
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    Aenore Tristelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by seriously View Post
    Eh, I had just come out of some excruciatingly close Thornmarch Extremes. I was frustrated. They shouldn't make the extremes easier. I should just stop trying to get clears in DF. Maybe I should re-evaluate how I spend my time in the game instead.
    Get a static. It's not needed to be in a FC to be in a static and it's the right way to train and beat content
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  7. #37
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    Evangela Monterossa
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    Quote Originally Posted by LetBloodline View Post
    Get a static. It's not needed to be in a FC to be in a static and it's the right way to train and beat content
    and static groups don't let people join if they are inexperienced.
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  8. #38
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    Millerna Astor
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    Phoenix
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    and static groups don't let people join if they are inexperienced.
    Not to mention that some people just can't do a static because they can't commit to being online on certain hours and days.
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  9. #39
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    Alexander Dragonfang
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    Zalera
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    Every content in this game should have a "Normal" Mode, call it, "Story Mode". Im talking about Coils more exactly, Primals already do. But Coils keep a good part of the story/lore of the game and many players can`t see that part of the content not because they are bad players, but because they are unequipped, can`t commit to a static, don`t find players of same liking, etc, etc, etc and on top of that, they are not skilled enough.

    Both Coils should recive a normal mode, maybe instead of Allagan or High Allagan gear they should just get myth and soldiery rewards, to not trivialize even further the adquisition of oils/sands/UAT.

    That said, i haven`t put a single foot on T6.
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  10. #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang View Post
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    Coils don't have a "normal" mode because they are designed to be end-game content.

    primals story mode are not even considered normal modes, nowadays.
    that's why a storymode Leviathan/ramuh/moogle doesn't even exist.

    the point is. what do you need an easier coil for? to learn mechanics for the "hard" mode?
    dodging everything in Titan HM doesn't make you able to dodge everything in Titan EX
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