this is getting Ridiculous

[Maduro]

How can you tell who reset the mob?

The other day in Mor Dhona I found the Leech King while I was randomly on my way to do something else. Told my LS, no one was on/not interested so I do a shout with the coordinates. A min later, in the distance I see the hoarde blazing towards me, so I claim the mob so I can get full credit solo because I was qued for a duty. Hoarde shows up and immediately the mob gets reset and then zerged down in a matter of seconds. I get 1 seal.... I just don't see how that is fair. I followed the "rules" and still got screwed. I guess I will just have to join a hunt LS if I want to do this content. If anyone has an opening on Excalibur I would love an invite.

[MythToken]

if you are a small party of 5 people, why are you more important than the 100+ in the Hunt mob? Its easy to join a Hunt mob.

if you can't beat the zerg, join the zerg.

[ispano]

if you are a small party of 5 people, why are you more important than the 100+ in the Hunt mob? Its easy to join a Hunt mob.

if you can't beat the zerg, join the zerg.

Because there's still a limit on how many people/groups can get full credit. And why are you more important? You got there and pulled it first. That's why you are more important.

[EmeraldSerenade]

Report the tank who reset it.

Resetting a monster that you found is a form of griefing, which is punishable.

[Kinseykinz]

I had a GM say that pulling early repeatably knowing people are coming is considered a griefing tactic because it's the same reason resetting mobs is against ToS and considered a griefing tactic. It's because it "interrupts the progress of other players".

The ONLY way I could see this being a 'griefing tactic' is if you verbally agreed to waiting for others to arrive either in /p /ls /FC or /sh ...or if you knowingly joined a group that had such rules (aka Hunt Linkshell). Because SE has set in place a 'grey area' of the rule book that if you agree to a specific party rule/drop lot etc, and then go against it after saying 'sure no problem' you can be in trouble for not keeping your end of the deal. But that's only additional player agreements that are busted. (Like WHM comes into ST and says 'anyone mind if I lot on the MNK body if it drops, I really need it' and you say 'sure NP and then Need lot it and win it when it drops' They can report you ...and win. But if you said 'Uh, I want it too, so sorry but no' They can't do crap because the game's actual rules on lotting are role and if you win=yours.

So I assume the same can be said of hunt groups. If you agree to their rules, and then don't follow them=griefing. If you never agreed in the first place, no issues, pull however you want.

But no, a solo player, small group, band of strangers who see it first and pull it, there is no 'griefing' in that.

[Sapphic]

But no, a solo player, small group, band of strangers who see it first and pull it, there is no 'griefing' in that.

The griefing comes from the verbal abuse those who didn't get credit for the kill, didn't get there in time so proceed to pollute chat with obscenities. Funny thing is that I've noticed is those most vocal about missing out are usually the ones who pull as soon as they see it.

But, we as a community should start reporting those players that throw out abusive and foul insults due to their feelings of entitlement.

As, without checking, foul language that is being used after in open chat is a reportable offence.

[Kinseykinz]

The griefing comes from the verbal abuse those who didn't get credit for the kill, didn't get there in time so proceed to pollute chat with obscenities. Funny thing is that I've noticed is those most vocal about missing out are usually the ones who pull as soon as they see it.

But, we as a community should start reporting those players that throw out abusive and foul insults due to their feelings of entitlement.

As, without checking, foul language that is being used after in open chat is a reportable offence.

I understand that a lot of the 'griefing' that is really happening is the abusive and foul name-calling (on both sides btw). I was directly responding to the person's situation I quoted. The /sh/t/s abusive language that is also happening is of course, also harassment and punishable, but it's a different thing that what the poster I was responding to was implying. If people think that they can report anyone who pulls 'early' simply for pulling and that person will be somehow punished, they are wrong. But yes, if that same person turns around and starts taunting them/harassing them or being unpleasant (assuming they weren't provoked into it) then yes, they can get in trouble as they are harassing people. But if a GM takes actions against them, it was never for 'early pulling', it was for the namecalling and nastyness that they said after it.

[Wulfyn]

The thing with NMs in FFXI was that eventually NM drops were changed because of the camping due to the fact they were sellable. A source of gil for farmers none the least. The changes made it so drops did become available to everyone who could claim the mob and kill it. You still had to compete for claims with rivals but was still better than them being overcamped.

Whats occurring with elites is these hunt ls's seem to feel entitled to every spawn including the weekly. They wont tell you if it's up where it is or even invite you so you can get full credit. On Behemoth it is apparently a big secret now. They don't give a damn someone like me still needs the weekly credit. So is it alright for them to screw players like me over' to deny me my right to 20+ seals? Yea they sure show courtesy and are not selfish.

[Souljacker]

Hunts are still broken and I'm surprised that SE doesn't see it. The JP side must not be complaining at all. Is there anyone who reads that forum that can confirm their take on the matter? I tried to run it through Google translate but spent more time laughing than seriously parsing what they were saying.

[Kuwagami]

Hunts are still broken and I'm surprised that SE doesn't see it. The JP side must not be complaining at all. Is there anyone who reads that forum that can confirm their take on the matter? I tried to run it through Google translate but spent more time laughing than seriously parsing what they were saying.

JP side has no problem with hunts because they know their place. If they miss a mark (i.e, the finder pulled when he thought enough people were here), they don't rage, they go search the next mark.

I wonder why NA/EU always have the biggest trolls/flamers/haters.