this is getting Ridiculous

[Lamentations]

Existing mechanics can be misused for griefing and personal advantage, that is reason exists a GM service, or else we don't even need it. Your reasoning to not ban people because they pay the subs, implies no one paying the sub can be banned, with consequence anyone paying the sub is free to do whatever he please in game. Hope you now understand how that reasoning is flawed.

Ill come back later and see what they decided to do, feel free to attend or not it's your choice.

You can pull on your shiny armor and lobby for justice, they will worry about paying the bills.

They will adjust the mechanics for people who do it silently, they will ban a few tanks who get caught with screenshots proving intention as examples, (probably people they see in their data who sub 4-8 weeks out of every 12), they will make them all force pop/claim like they should have in the first place which will lead to cries of no open world content again, or they will make hunts useless altogether and solve all these issues that way.

Doesn't matter which decision they make, the bottom line and how it will be affected will be taken into consideration, it's business.

Stories abound about how shard/bots were reported from day one at launch and were still around weeks/months later, or about how someone who was reported for abusing mechanics still hasn't been banned after (insert time frame here).

While knights in shining armor pray to game developer gods to administer justice in their fantasy world, the developer gods live in the real world with rent/mortgages/power bills and payroll.

A large number of bans isn't going to happen.

Unless you were born over 35 years ago I have been playing video games longer than you have lived, and I am well aware of why GM's exist, but thanks for the tip.

[Nestama]

If there is one thing iv'e learned over 40 years of working, it's that money truly talks and BS truly walks, which option do you think they'll do.?

Didn't stop them from banning 550 players over the Salvage/Assault exploit in FFXI.

[Lamentations]

Didn't stop them from banning 550 players over the Salvage/Assault exploit in FFXI.

Oh I remember, I was around when it happened on xi.

Those circumstances, and these circumstances have only superficial similarities at best, and this game is approached with a far easier attitude.

Those were very difficult drops to come buy versus seals galore for everyone who wants them, there isn't much ultra rare uber gear in this game, they pass gear out like candy.

Your analogy is off the mark by a mile.

I certainly don't have anything against you salem trial folks wanting to see people hang over this, and if they do for abusing mechanics they have no reason to cry about it.

Salvage/Assault and this are very different shades of gray.

When those bans happened the MMO scene in town was a very different flavor than todays cutthroat market of f2p mmos galore, they will save the corporate cash before saving moral face, count on it.

If it makes you or anyone else chuckle with glee over the prospect of folks getting permabanned for this be my guest, it will not have fixed the core problems with hunts, and it wont help the game.

[Taika]

I think the person who finds the mark (and their group if they have one) should always get full credit. They did the work to look for it, they got lucky and were the first ones to find it, they deserve it. No one else deserves full credit. They may be lucky enough to get there in time, and that's great, but they weren't the ones to find it and thus aren't entitled to it.

To get full credit, the person / group who's found the mob have to be the ones to make the pull, especially if they're not a full party. This means they will have to pull as soon as they find the mark / their group gets there, before the group of 200 people arrives and claims it as theirs (even though they weren't the first ones there).

Resetting mobs is claim stealing and reward stealing, it's intentional griefing and should always be reported.

[Drasyra]

Indeed. Twice now I've found an A-rank monster because it spawned near me whilst I was out and about doing other things (gathering, Atma book), shouted and got a grand total of 1 allied seal because enormous zerg mobs turned up and no-one would group with me because they're all already grouped with their zerg mob (even though it's highly likely given the numbers - not a perfect multiple of 8 - that at least one of the groups had a space.) Basically I was penalised for doing the "right thing".

I'd like to see spawn timers become more randomised, to prevent predictable farming by big zergs, and contributions being individual, not group-based, so people can pop in and enjoy a hunt if one happens near them rather than being locked out by farm groups.

[xenosuke1]

what they should do is instead of hunts spawning in multiple places have it spawn in one place mayb thtll fix alil o these probs idk mayb

[Dark-Saviour]

what they should do is instead of hunts spawning in multiple places have it spawn in one place mayb thtll fix alil o these probs idk mayb

I vote for Revanent's Toll.

[Wulfyn]

Hmmm just now, still needing the weekly, sure enough some one found it shouted. I shouted that I still needed weekly but guess what? Damn things dead before I get to it. Thank you very much you jerk off mark hunters. On another note I did find Naul by himself right outside Dragonhead. Apparently all the ppl running down the road did not notice him.

Hell with it, he's mine and anyone else shows up they can have their shots too. Anyone else shows up and tries to reset, you get a GM call. I ended up just tanking it 2nd half of its life so the 2 others that noticed Naul could get their hits. That's what you get when you don't even allow someone to get their weekly. F U right back at ya.

[Roll]

Keep in mind, after you down a monster it may take around 30 seconds to receive credit for it. That's how it is for me and a few friends after we downed a few S rank mobs so don't teleport out until you receive credit first (until it shows up on your chat log).

[Nosiahk]

Lol @ all these entitled players. Stop trying so hard to convert other players to abide by your rules that was only designed in your LS/FC. No one need to be courteous at all. They find it, they have all rights to kill it without any hesitation. The way you want to progress in the game has nothing to do with other players. Your money, your subscription, your play time.

I belong to a hunt LS and I do my reports pretty often. If I don't get there in time, OH WELL WOOPIE DO! Life goes on. No need to flame and bash on other players because they pulled early or whatsoever unless they belong to the same LS/FC. Flaming/bashing/harassing only show how low of a player or a person you are.

If a player reset and its causing you to get partial to no credit, then for god sake, report them. It is a form of harassment and it's against the ToS. Remember you're paying for your own god damn subscription, not them.