this is getting Ridiculous

[Verranicus]

Oh, by all means I don't agree with the behavior the OP was talking about either. But a lot of the discussion seems to have shifted over to hunts in general.

Your opinion is wrong.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Your opinion is wrong.

I'm all ears. Please, tell me how my opinion that people waiting a bit and letting a dozen or so people get credit is better than people snatching up anything they can get and only 5 or so get the credit, is wrong.

[xenosuke1]

Oh, by all means I don't agree with the behavior the OP was talking about either. But a lot of the discussion seems to have shifted over to hunts in general.

this is how these ls grps work this is what they do, just wondering how is what i did rude and selfish but what they did is not just wondering, and if i assumed something i apologize befrehand but im just curious. because you sound very contradictory no offence

I'm all ears. Please, tell me how my opinion that people waiting a bit and letting a dozen or so people get credit is better than people snatching up anything they can get and only 5 or so get the credit, is wrong.

actually what i have been talking about and have expained is all about hunts not just the situation i experienced, what you are saying it is courtesy to wait but just to let you know, courtesy, consideration, kindness, generosity are all double standard words no matter what you do and how you do it, it will be hurtfull/disadvantuous to the other party, i did wait i did call out but to be honest if its an a or be rank its gunna be dead in less then 13 sec if not that. me and my group found it me and my group were hunting around and looking for spawns, so are we not the ones who should have it above all else. now if i was a real dick i would of never called it out, but i did and got screwed out of 20 seals and only got 2 for my courtesy for my kindness. so no those words are useless in your opinions and in mine becuase they are double standards they will only fit ppls need for thier views only. im not courteous cause i pulled as soon as they arrived (Your point of view) they are not courteous becuase they kill stealed my grps hunt causing us to lose out whn it only had 10% of its life taken, and they could of just easily joined in instead of reseting it for their own needs (my point of view) you see how these words are doule standards

these people are not doing this niceness for the common good of everyone cause if they did they would wait at least 10 minutes before they pull giving everyone enough time or go to each major city and let ppl kno so and so has spawned come get your seals, no they show up and automatically pull without a second thought be it stealing it or finding it freshly spawned, like the ppl u say keep it for themselves that goes both ways you could say in peoples eyes we are both wrong and both right at the same time in the many views and opinions from this thread and the many like it. no matter if you feel we are being rude your only looking at one side but have yet to contemplate the what if on the other side of the fence. tell me would you risk the 30min-hr you spent looking for a hunt find it, be tell people then wait for them to show up and have it stolen not getting the 20 seals you should of and only to 2 seals just so 60+ other people could mooch off of the time you spent and not give a dam about you and your group. im tired of getting spat in the face so from now on im not going to shout or let peple know, im done! too many a time ive had it thrown in my face for being nice and then belittled that im selfish that im not courteous because i pulled as soon as the train shows up, i found it, i wasted my time looking for it and tell me what do i got to show for it cept a swift kick in the balls because i had to be nice and courteous. Double standard my friend Double standard.

[ToffeeCoffee]

I'm all ears. Please, tell me how my opinion that people waiting a bit and letting a dozen or so people get credit is better than people snatching up anything they can get and only 5 or so get the credit, is wrong.

Because it's never just a dozen or so random people that show up. It's the giant coordinated horde who are following spreadsheets of shared information about every single mob The Hunt provides, and then recording time of death so they know exactly when to circle back around to farm the same mobs again. If you don't fall into line and let the horde get their full credit, guess what? You're blacklisted..over 5 seals.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Because it's never just a dozen or so random people that show up. It's the giant coordinated horde who are following spreadsheets of shared information about every single mob The Hunt provides, and then recording time of death so they know exactly when to circle back around to farm the same mobs again. If you don't fall into line and let the horde get their full credit, guess what? You're blacklisted..over 5 seals.

I think I'm failing to express myself here... I don't agree any more than you do with this sort of behavior. When I talk about someone waiting a few minutes, I mean something like

> find mob -> call your party over -> put up a shout to people in the zone who're also searching -> wait 3-5 minutes or until ~20 people have shown up (allows for 2-3 parties) -> pull mob -> do your thing, get your credit -> (optionally) if someone's shouting omw still consider slowing down dps to let them try for credit too

I don't at all agree with someone trying to rip enmity off of you and demand they get first crack at the credit. I've even suggested in other threads a "finder's mark" that when applied gives your party a minor seal bonus and ensures that you and only you can make the actual pull.

[xenosuke1]

I think I'm failing to express myself here... I don't agree any more than you do with this sort of behavior. When I talk about someone waiting a few minutes, I mean something like

> find mob -> call your party over -> put up a shout to people in the zone who're also searching -> wait 3-5 minutes or until ~20 people have shown up (allows for 2-3 parties) -> pull mob -> do your thing, get your credit -> (optionally) if someone's shouting omw still consider slowing down dps to let them try for credit too

I don't at all agree with someone trying to rip enmity off of you and demand they get first crack at the credit. I've even suggested in other threads a "finder's mark" that when applied gives your party a minor seal bonus and ensures that you and only you can make the actual pull.

no matter what happens they will still reset it to fit thier needs there is no other way to explan it. I do like your finders mark idea and would agree whole heartedly on it but still all in all they will just reset it and screw other people and if the finders mark is determined on who tagged it first we are still at square one

[Brine_Gildchaff]

no matter what happens they will still reset it to fit thier needs there is no other way to explan it. I do like your finders mark idea and would agree whole heartedly on it but still all in all they will just reset it and screw other people and if the finders mark is determined on who tagged it first we are still at square one

Square has weighed in and said malicious resets are a bannable offense. And honestly I still don't totally buy it, I've seen a LOT of people calling for resets and... I've yet to ever actually see it successfully happen.
And when I talked about the finders' mark, I envisioned it as basically an extra General tab action, with the following effects:
1) The mob cannot aggro any player that is not in the finder's party, for a period of X minutes or unless no member is within Y yalms of the mob, until the finder's party makes the pull. (This is needed to avoid abuse, otherwise some troll would mark the mob then wander off and do nothing for an extended period of time so nobody could touch it.)
2) If the finder's party participates, they receive a set seal reward over and above their contribution reward. (Might also be advisable to make the party automatically get full credit, but at the same time I could see this being abused too; consider a party putting up a finder's mark, then using one shield lob to pull, each member making a single auto-attack, then the whole group wanders off somewhere else and gets full credit plus bonus for the kill when it was other players who did the killing.)
3) An alert is sent out to only that zone reporting the monster's name and position. There shouldn't be a problem with this since none of the incoming players can touch the mob anyway; the finder's party has full rights to decide how long to wait before pulling the mob.

No one else deserves full credit. They may be lucky enough to get there in time, and that's great, but they weren't the ones to find it and thus aren't entitled to it.

I'm not trying to talk about deserving or entitled. I just think it's a nice thing to do to let other parties in the area who're searching as hard as you for a hunt mark to join in and get a shot at the rewards too, and a bit mean-spirited to actively try and deny that chance.

[Taika]

I'm not trying to talk about deserving or entitled. I just think it's a nice thing to do to let other parties in the area who're searching as hard as you for a hunt mark to join in and get a shot at the rewards too, and a bit mean-spirited to actively try and deny that chance.

I do agree, in theory. However, after seeing how often announcing the marks in shout leads to both another group pulling or resetting it (which often leads to the original founding party not receiving full reward) and horrible abuse in /shout chat, it really isn't something I'd recommend for anyone to do in this situation. Unfortunately, being nice and trying to share these marks just leads to a person not getting rewarded but being verbally abused and blacklisted instead.

[ispano]

I think I'm failing to express myself here... I don't agree any more than you do with this sort of behavior. When I talk about someone waiting a few minutes, I mean something like

> find mob -> call your party over -> put up a shout to people in the zone who're also searching -> wait 3-5 minutes or until ~20 people have shown up (allows for 2-3 parties) -> pull mob -> do your thing, get your credit -> (optionally) if someone's shouting omw still consider slowing down dps to let them try for credit too

I don't at all agree with someone trying to rip enmity off of you and demand they get first crack at the credit. I've even suggested in other threads a "finder's mark" that when applied gives your party a minor seal bonus and ensures that you and only you can make the actual pull.

The problem is 3-5 minutes is way more than enough time for that zerg to show up. And if the mob is a B rank, it's easily soloable as it is.

[ToffeeCoffee]

I think I'm failing to express myself here... I don't agree any more than you do with this sort of behavior. When I talk about someone waiting a few minutes, I mean something like

> find mob -> call your party over -> put up a shout to people in the zone who're also searching -> wait 3-5 minutes or until ~20 people have shown up (allows for 2-3 parties) -> pull mob -> do your thing, get your credit -> (optionally) if someone's shouting omw still consider slowing down dps to let them try for credit too

I don't at all agree with someone trying to rip enmity off of you and demand they get first crack at the credit. I've even suggested in other threads a "finder's mark" that when applied gives your party a minor seal bonus and ensures that you and only you can make the actual pull.

I tried that the first time I found Naul. I did the supposed right thing, shouted for an invite, got into a full party. The horde appeared, no one pulled early. My party apparently didn't throw enough enmity around because I didn't get weekly credit. 2 weeks later and I've not seen Naul since. I'll be solo'ing it if there's ever a next time. Just to reiterate, shouting will never attract ~20 people.