Expansion Jobs Speculation

[Mimilu]

Whatever jobs they introduce, they better introduce new classes from them to evolve from. I DO NOT want a new job that is suddenly at level 50 already. I want to spend time getting to know it before I do end game stuff.

This!
This is a very important statement.
If they added new jobs to the current classes, then players wouldn't have time to learn the job. They'd be level 50 and going into raids and dungeons playing blindly. Even though leveling can go really fast, you still play as the job for that short amount of time to learn some sort of rotation.

[SwashBuccaneer]

This!
This is a very important statement.
If they added new jobs to the current classes, then players wouldn't have time to learn the job. They'd be level 50 and going into raids and dungeons playing blindly. Even though leveling can go really fast, you still play as the job for that short amount of time to learn some sort of rotation.

Yeah, because having 5 new abilities added to your base class makes things so different and hard to play. :P

[Mimilu]

Yeah, because having 5 new abilities added to your base class makes things so different and hard to play. :P

You don't think Conjurer becoming a DPS isn't radically different? Or a Thaumaturge becoming a Healer?
Do you also think that Summoner and Scholar play exactly the same?
Jobs from the same class need to be radically different, otherwise, at this point where you only "[have] 5 new abilities added to your base class", the classes would play too similarly.

[TheCurls]

Yeah, because having 5 new abilities added to your base class makes things so different and hard to play. :P

Hard? Not particularly. Different? Absolutely.

Source: Scholar and Summoner.

[Exstal]

Hard? Not particularly. Different? Absolutely.

Source: Scholar and Summoner.

Rebuttal: They are not the same role.

[TheCurls]

Rebuttal: They are not the same role.

So? Nobody said anything about role. The context is automatically having the job at 50 because the base class already is (Arcanist in the case of Summoner and Scholar). I don't ever have to play Summoner to have it at level 50 already because I leveled it for Scholar. That is the point, not roles.

So your rebuttal is a straw man.

[Reynhart]

So? Nobody said anything about role. The context is automatically having the job at 50 because the base class already is (Arcanist in the case of Summoner and Scholar). I don't ever have to play Summoner to have it at level 50 already because I leveled it for Scholar. That is the point, not roles.

So your rebuttal is a straw man.

SCH has 2 classes skills and 8 pets skills different from Arcanist

[Exstal]

So? Nobody said anything about role. The context is automatically having the job at 50 because the base class already is (Arcanist in the case of Summoner and Scholar). I don't ever have to play Summoner to have it at level 50 already because I leveled it for Scholar. That is the point, not roles.

So your rebuttal is a straw man.

SCH is different because of their job skills, but that heavily lends itself to the fact that it's a different role. DPS SCH plays pretty much the same as SMN. If SCH was another DPS, then it wouldn't be very different at all. So it matters what role the new class is.

Well, perhaps one way: The fact that Yoshi-P was even CONSIDERING adding Thief as a Class rather than a Job indicates that he wasn't totally familiar with the fact that Thief is one of the Classic Six FF jobs: White Mage, Black Mage, Red Mage, Thief, Blackbelt (Monk), and Fighter (Warrior). White Mage, Black Mage, Monk, and Warrior are all Jobs, not Classes. If Red Mage and Thief are ever added, and are NOT added as Jobs instead of Classes, the whole Internet will explode with OCD nerdrage.

The way I read it, Rogue *should* be named Thief. It shouldn't be Rogue, 双剣士, Surineur, and Schurke but rather be named, Thief, シーフ, Voleur, and Dieb. But lore caused problems so the former was chosen.

In Naoki's mind, Rogue *is* Thief and that's the end of their intention on that matter. I wouldn't dare claim that Thief job is off the table because in desperate times, people will do wild things.

[Alice_89th]

The way I read it, Rogue *should* be named Thief. It shouldn't be Rogue, 双剣士, Surineur, and Schurke but rather be named, Thief, シーフ, Voleur, and Dieb. But lore caused problems so the former was chosen

What I find more interesting is that in English, German, and French it is named something like "rogue". In all three the name implies the rough life, the wild side, whatever you want to call it.

yet in Japanese it is simply called 双剣士 (soukenshi), which translates to "duel swordsman" (or "duel fencer" if you like that better). Which is more of a description of the weapons it uses than a style of life.