Why bother with ATMA now?

[velric42]

You can obtain better weapons now without the stupid ridiculous grind. Even Everquest from 1999 didn,t have a grind like this, plus I think its stupid that were grinding for ATMA items from low lvl FATES.

Why doesn't our epic weapons drop from epic bosses?????????????????????????.
Wouldn't that make sense? O no I need to farm lvl 4 fates,LOL LOL

15 years later and Everquest still has a better loot system than this crap.

[Yotsu]

Why doesn't our epic weapons drop from epic bosses?????????????????????????.

The best weapons in the game drop from an epic boss.
Your point?

Atma/Zenith/Animus is and always will be optional

[Avarghaladion]

The best weapons in the game drop from an epic boss.
Your point?

Atma/Zenith/Animus is and always will be optional

Until you... y'know... need them In order to progress with the Relic questline... a concept that has been fundamental to FF Online's core, lore-centric gameplay for over a decade. Anyone who thinks looted weaps will be the gold standard in FF forever is deluding themselves.

[Yotsu]

Until you... y'know... need them In order to progress with the Relic questline... a concept that has been fundamental to FF Online's core, lore-centric gameplay for over a decade. Anyone who thinks looted weaps will be the gold standard in FF forever is deluding themselves.

Why would i care about the Relic Questline i've killed T9 and didn't even started the Quest.

[Kagari_Asuha]

Eventually these weapons will be quite good, although the best weapons will always come from Coil.

[Avarghaladion]

Why would i care about the Relic Questline i've killed T9 and didn't even started the Quest.

That's kinda the problem... casuals who just log on to run dungeon content bypass virtually all of the game's core content and lore.

[Nikraaa]

That's kinda the problem... casuals who just log on to run dungeon content bypass virtually all of the game's core content and lore.

This logic is... no words.

"You're a casual you can beat the content and don't need outdated weapons. Filthy casual!"

[Avarghaladion]

This logic is... no words.

"You're a casual you can beat the content and don't need outdated weapons. Filthy casual!"

The logic is sound. Someone who is only interested in Coil and essentially unconcerned about the remainder of the game, while perhaps a hardcore fotm gamer in general, is not a hardcore FFXIV player by any stretch of the imagination. It fits nearly all of the exact aspects of the definition of the term. Furthermore, admitting they've never touched the content this thread is talking about isn't a very good way of qualifying their stance on the issue... particularly not when that stance is "coil drops should always be the best because I only do coil." Do you really think login -> coil static -> logout is more hardcore than login -> atma farm for 200 hours -> dailies -> myth grind -> animus books -> novus upgrade -> craft -> buy house -> furnish house -> do extremes -> craft/harvest -> garden -> treasure hunt -> achievement grind -> do coil? Someone can get by and outshine all others while never touching myth/soldiery or doing anything outside of BCOB of SCOB if they so choose. That is not balance.

[AlexPayne]

Why do it? Because it's there.

Especially if you're a DPS class, killing some fates is a decent way to kill time while you wait for the DF to pop. Unfortunately for tanks, they don't have this option due to near-instant queues, but they'll find some other way. Eventually, you're bound to get the 12, and be done with it.

[Avarghaladion]

Why do it? Because it's there.

Especially if you're a DPS class, killing some fates is a decent way to kill time while you wait for the DF to pop. Unfortunately for tanks, they don't have this option due to near-instant queues, but they'll find some other way. Eventually, you're bound to get the 12, and be done with it.

That's a good point, if a DPS has nothing better (ie. literally anything else) to do. Personally, after seeing just how bad it is, I'll only do FATEs for it to get my 100 kills for the week for my Companion challenge. The general consensus in my FC amongst those who've spent over a hundred hours and still don't have it is that it's not worth prioritizing at all since it's just going to be uber-nerfed within a patch or two anyways.