Why bother with ATMA now?

[Avarghaladion]

Why would i care about the Relic Questline i've killed T9 and didn't even started the Quest.

That's kinda the problem... casuals who just log on to run dungeon content bypass virtually all of the game's core content and lore.

[Nikraaa]

That's kinda the problem... casuals who just log on to run dungeon content bypass virtually all of the game's core content and lore.

This logic is... no words.

"You're a casual you can beat the content and don't need outdated weapons. Filthy casual!"

[Avarghaladion]

This logic is... no words.

"You're a casual you can beat the content and don't need outdated weapons. Filthy casual!"

The logic is sound. Someone who is only interested in Coil and essentially unconcerned about the remainder of the game, while perhaps a hardcore fotm gamer in general, is not a hardcore FFXIV player by any stretch of the imagination. It fits nearly all of the exact aspects of the definition of the term. Furthermore, admitting they've never touched the content this thread is talking about isn't a very good way of qualifying their stance on the issue... particularly not when that stance is "coil drops should always be the best because I only do coil." Do you really think login -> coil static -> logout is more hardcore than login -> atma farm for 200 hours -> dailies -> myth grind -> animus books -> novus upgrade -> craft -> buy house -> furnish house -> do extremes -> craft/harvest -> garden -> treasure hunt -> achievement grind -> do coil? Someone can get by and outshine all others while never touching myth/soldiery or doing anything outside of BCOB of SCOB if they so choose. That is not balance.

[AlexPayne]

Why do it? Because it's there.

Especially if you're a DPS class, killing some fates is a decent way to kill time while you wait for the DF to pop. Unfortunately for tanks, they don't have this option due to near-instant queues, but they'll find some other way. Eventually, you're bound to get the 12, and be done with it.

[Avarghaladion]

Why do it? Because it's there.

Especially if you're a DPS class, killing some fates is a decent way to kill time while you wait for the DF to pop. Unfortunately for tanks, they don't have this option due to near-instant queues, but they'll find some other way. Eventually, you're bound to get the 12, and be done with it.

That's a good point, if a DPS has nothing better (ie. literally anything else) to do. Personally, after seeing just how bad it is, I'll only do FATEs for it to get my 100 kills for the week for my Companion challenge. The general consensus in my FC amongst those who've spent over a hundred hours and still don't have it is that it's not worth prioritizing at all since it's just going to be uber-nerfed within a patch or two anyways.

[Yotsu]

Do you really think login -> coil static -> logout is more hardcore

Yes

than login -> atma farm for 200 hours -> dailies -> myth grind -> animus books -> novus upgrade -> craft -> craft/harvest -> achievement grind -> do coil?

because this (in my opinion) is retarded

The logic is sound. Someone who is only interested in Coil and essentially unconcerned about the remainder of the game, while perhaps a hardcore fotm gamer in general, is not a hardcore FFXIV player by any stretch of the imagination.Furthermore, admitting they've never touched the content this thread is talking about isn't a very good way of qualifying their stance on the issue...

Housing, Sightseeing, Crafting, and all that stuff?
I tried most things but things like crafting and dailies are just way too boring for me.
My routine looks somewhat like this:
Log in > Fish(since i can go half-afk) while queuing for pvp to cap soldiery and buy vanity gear
Raid on Tuesday, then find a raid for my alt
>Repeat

Someone can get by and outshine all others while never touching myth/soldiery or doing anything outside of BCOB of SCOB if they so choose. That is not balance.

What is the point of having full 110 gear and an Animus weapon when noone wants you in their raidgroup because you can't play for shit

[Avarghaladion]

Housing, Sightseeing, Crafting, and all that stuff?
I tried most things but things like crafting and dailies are just way too boring for me.
My routine looks somewhat like this:
Log in > Fish(since i can go half-afk) while queuing for pvp to cap soldiery and buy vanity gear
Raid on Tuesday, then find a raid for my alt
>Repeat

That's all well and good and I'm glad there are parts of the game you like but there is no rational reason for you to belittle the input of those who are providing feedback for aspects of the game in which you don't even partake. You have relatively less investment in the game and fixing things that don't currently have an effect on you would continue not having an effect on you. Even if Novus was BiS you and like-minded people still wouldn't even think about attempting to get it. The parts of the game less invested players enjoy wouldn't even exist if their weren't enough people interested in the game as a whole as well as a regular, invested playerbase. It's de facto counterproductive to your own agenda to want more invested players to hate the game. Invested players are a much more reliable revenue stream and much harder to replace than their fickle FotM-esque counterparts. Content that alienates such a large percentage of players must be responsibly addressed.

what is the point of having full 110 gear and an Animus weapon when noone wants you in their raidgroup because you can't play for shit

By no stretch of logic does Atma/Animus/Novus ownership imply lack of skill, especially not in the modern reality of lowest-common-denominator online gaming and particularly not with FFXIV's choreographed endgame "mechanics."

You are wasting your time for second best with the relic quest.
The relic is actually "For Casuals", as an alternative to the end game raid that is actually fundamental to FFXIV core.

While I could be wrong, I don't recall seeing the devs express that opinion at any time. Also, calling SCOB core is illogical. If all non-SCOB ready players quit right now the game would flop overnight. Hardly core by any stretch, nor are SCOB-only subscribers though it may be the most central aspect of their personal playtime.

The Raid drops will always be the gold standard.

This would be a myopic stance even if it wasn't for the fact that there's 27 years of FF history that says otherwise. As relic progression compounds with each additional tier it grows increasingly difficult for anyone to rationalize RNG drops remaining superior indefinitely. It would be a bastardization of FF in general and completely marginalize the lore and atmosphere of the game and the series.

[Rydia13]

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Totally agree with you. Anyone who has played all the Final Fantasys, specially their other long running MMO knows how valued Relics are to SE. Don't be fooled. Relic progression in this game will only get harder and more tedious and will discourage people from continuing with their progress. After a while Relics will be weapons with possibly 2 years of hard work put into it and you're deluded enough to think they won't be the #1 choice for endgame down the road?

That is what they want. A select group of few people that took the time to upgrade patch after patch. Like I said, as it gets harder, less and less people will be interested in doing it because CURRENTLY the weapons aren't the best, although I particularly like SMN Novus a lot due to the fact that our high allagen book has a completely useless stat for us. It's basically 2 weapon damage vs 31 Det so I imagine the difference is miniscule. Upgrade your relic and stop crying.

[Yotsu]

Upgrade your relic and stop crying.

Noone is crying except the people that are doing their relic..
Everyone else is pretty happy by getting the best weapons in the game, without having to mindlessly grind for days

Also i'm pretty sure in some live letter yoshi said the best weapons will always come from endgame raids (cant find source atm, looking later <.<)

[Logo]

While I could be wrong, I don't recall seeing the devs express that opinion at any time. Also, calling SCOB core is illogical. If all non-SCOB ready players quit right now the game would flop overnight. Hardly core by any stretch, nor are SCOB-only subscribers though it may be the most central aspect of their personal playtime.

Your arguments are based on lack of information or misinformation.
Just because players choose to sit in Mor Dhona and have a fashion show instead of doing challenging content. Does Not mean coil isn't core to the FFXIV game.
Its where all the top gear is.

This would be a myopic stance even if it wasn't for the fact that there's 27 years of FF history that says otherwise. As relic progression compounds with each additional tier it grows increasingly difficult for anyone to rationalize RNG drops remaining superior indefinitely. It would be a bastardization of FF in general and completely marginalize the lore and atmosphere of the game and the series.

1) Relic weapons only appear in XI and XIV, so "27 years of FF history that says otherwise" is just wrong.
2) Relic progression does not increase in difficulty at all. In fact one could view the first tier as the hardest part (at its time) . There is nothing difficult about doing fates or maps.
3) Everything else aside, Top end dungeon will always have the best gear. Thats how these games work.

Stop trying to justify your misunderstanding.