Novus weapon upgrade system findings

[Koroem]

So exactly how blasphemous would it be for a dps (drg) to go outside the "accepted" norm of 44crit/31 det and use a few points of accuracy for the last 5 or 6 melds that really taper off success wise? I'm currently 53/75 and about to move on to tIV materia. Till now I have spirit bound all my own materia, and haven't been very lucky with obtaining useful IVs. Almost 100 pieces of gear so far with about another 30 to go and only 3 IVs.

I'm saving up money for personal housing and I'm having a hard time justifying millions in materia cost to max out crit/det when likely in the next patch better weapons/upgrades will be available. The math seems to imply that secondaries are meager amount of the overall damage, and further that 5-8 points those stat points are trivial themselves as a part of the whole 75. I am almost ALWAYS on the receiving end of beatings from RNG so failures at 400k a pop, or hours and hours of spirit binding are absolutely unappealing.

My static is semi-casual and only on t7 at this point, so the likelihood of clearing t9 before the next update is seeming unlikely. As I upgrade I'd like to be able to be flexible and it seems like just pushing the upgrade to novus would benefit me from the weapon damage boost. It would end up something like 39 crit/ 28 det / 8 acc.

If I recall correctly the success rate is as follows on tIV.

44 stat = 100% > 100% > 100% > 100% > 100% > 100% > 96% > 90% > 82% > 72% > 60%

31 stat = 100% > 100% > 96% > 88% > 80% > 72% > 66% > 60%

I know some people are always going to be quick to judge when not min/maxed, but I'm looking for a response from those of you with logic and reason to put this in perspective rather than those with blinders on for min/max. Is this a bad idea for a DPS?

[Nekodar]

So exactly how blasphemous would it be for a dps (drg) to go outside the "accepted" norm of 44crit/31 det and use a few points of accuracy for the last 5 or 6 melds that really taper off success wise? I'm currently 53/75 and about to move on to tIV materia. Till now I have spirit bound all my own materia, and haven't been very lucky with obtaining useful IVs. Almost 100 pieces of gear so far with about another 30 to go and only 3 IVs.

The secondary stats don't matter so much that you should go broke just to get what someone decided was "the only acceptable stat distribution".
I say go with accuracy (if you need to meet acc cap for something or can swap acc gear on other slots for something that give better dps) and otherwise consider even skill speed.

[Ecks007]

So exactly how blasphemous would it be for a dps (drg) to go outside the "accepted" norm of 44crit/31 det and use a few points of accuracy for the last 5 or 6 melds that really taper off success wise? I'm currently 53/75 and about to move on to tIV materia. Till now I have spirit bound all my own materia, and haven't been very lucky with obtaining useful IVs. Almost 100 pieces of gear so far with about another 30 to go and only 3 IVs.

I don't think it's a bad idea. As a Summoner I put +8 in the Acc early on in doing my Novus and then realized if I went any further with that, that I wouldn't be able to make my Crit/Det stats be higher than the Animus. So I stopped with Acc and then had been thinking for a long time that I had messed up, because everyone I see is all wanting to do max Crit/Det only. But now that I'm on the final stretch of my Novus and on Tier IVs for Crit and Det I am glad I am not maxing them because that just means a lot of possible failures and at 400-500k+ a materia I am not about to just throw gil away and thankfully because I put those points into Acc early on my last few materia upgrades (currently 72/75) are Crit 96%, Det 94% then 88%. So hopefully I won't have to worry about any of those failing. The 88% one might.. but there's a higher chance that it will succeed rather than fail, and that's a chance I'll take.

So for PLD its 12 str 13 vit for shield? I still don't understand how this works. Am I suppose to go like 12 str first and then go vit? 5 materia per scroll and well right there I get confused.

It doesn't work like that. Base stats like Str, Dex, Mnd, Int, Vit automatically upgrade to the level of an i110 weapon once you create the Novus. The only stats you can change/add/alter are: Accuracy, Crit, Skill Speed, Spell Speed, Parry, Piety, and Determination.

This is the chart I used to plan out my Novus: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1095419961
It lists the percent chance for every addition of mostly every materia type. At least the ones people are primarily using. It seems there's no data listed for Piety success %, probably because most people haven't added Piety to their weapons to find out.
Anyway, I hope it helps you out some.

[Nekodar]

It lists the percent chance for every addition of mostly every materia type. At least the ones people are primarily using. It seems there's no data listed for Piety success %, probably because most people haven't added Piety to their weapons to find out.
Anyway, I hope it helps you out some.

Pretty sure the Piety list is wrong for Thyrus.
Tier I, II and III have 8 steps each with IV being the one that gets 9.
I know because I added a lot of Piety, and had +24 when I could start on Tier IV.

For reference, I'm currently at
+23 Determination
+26 Piety
+16 Spell Speed

I haven't really decided if I should cap Piety or leave it as is. Determination I'm not touching Tier IV due to insane materia prices.

[Ecks007]

Pretty sure the Piety list is wrong for Thyrus.

They probably are, the reason they are in red is listed at the bottom of the chart. "Materia Tier distributions in Red are assumptions based on rounding the cap/4."

[Kairobot]

So exactly how blasphemous would it be for a dps (drg) to go outside the "accepted" norm of 44crit/31 det and use a few points of accuracy for the last 5 or 6 melds that really taper off success wise? I'm currently 53/75 and about to move on to tIV materia. Till now I have spirit bound all my own materia, and haven't been very lucky with obtaining useful IVs. Almost 100 pieces of gear so far with about another 30 to go and only 3 IVs.

I'm saving up money for personal housing and I'm having a hard time justifying millions in materia cost to max out crit/det when likely in the next patch better weapons/upgrades will be available. The math seems to imply that secondaries are meager amount of the overall damage, and further that 5-8 points those stat points are trivial themselves as a part of the whole 75. I am almost ALWAYS on the receiving end of beatings from RNG so failures at 400k a pop, or hours and hours of spirit binding are absolutely unappealing.

My static is semi-casual and only on t7 at this point, so the likelihood of clearing t9 before the next update is seeming unlikely. As I upgrade I'd like to be able to be flexible and it seems like just pushing the upgrade to novus would benefit me from the weapon damage boost. It would end up something like 39 crit/ 28 det / 8 acc.

If I recall correctly the success rate is as follows on tIV.

44 stat = 100% > 100% > 100% > 100% > 100% > 100% > 96% > 90% > 82% > 72% > 60%

31 stat = 100% > 100% > 96% > 88% > 80% > 72% > 66% > 60%

I know some people are always going to be quick to judge when not min/maxed, but I'm looking for a response from those of you with logic and reason to put this in perspective rather than those with blinders on for min/max. Is this a bad idea for a DPS?

This is a repost from another thread and I can confirm it is correct:


"For a 44 max stat (e.g. Spell speed), 6/11 infusions will be 100%. It's only the last few materia of a tier that have a chance to fail. And it's not even a large chance to fail for the majority of the ones that can fail.
96%, 90%, 82%, 72%, 60% chance of success respectively.

For a 31 max stat, the odds are worse, but still not that bad for the majority of infusions. 100%, 100%, 94% ,88%, 80%, 70%, 60%,50%.

If you don't want to "risk" the last few stat points, again, look to alternative infusions or suck it up and use your wallet."