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  1. #81
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    Tranquil's Avatar
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    Rin Shiraishi
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    Phoenix
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by KiraVaela View Post
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    Yeah, playing with different people leads to different experiences for sure. :P I can see your logic in there, heh.

    Ifrit has very sporadic spike damage so as long as you are prepared for that, you even have some time for ruin spamming. I generally save my stacks a bit more towards the end of my Aether cycles there (eg. having 2 stacks left at 15 secs to Aetherflow being up) compared to my usual more 'even-out' distribution of Aether during the 60s period of time, because those sporadic back to back incinerates can be a bit brutal - any excess stack can be ED'd or Soiled..

    Pretty much how it goes for me is that I full on DPS in cleric's when a tank is at 0 or 1 stacks, up to when they get the 2nd stack, at which point I switch out of cleric's and then heal and get ready for that next healer swap. The stacks on the tank appear like 2 seconds before the actual incinerate is being cast, so you can pretty much swap out of cleric's and start healing when you see a stack pop up but before Ifrit has even done an incinerate - then even lustrate if need be as the heal lands. But usually, Regen on MT and manual 100% embrace up-time is pretty much enough for 0-1 stacks while you DPS, especially if the tank stoneskins themselves at times.

    Just do the DPSing little by little to be comfortable, as it is likely not needed with a good group, but with subpar DPS - it can patch up some people who underperform. You will always have the time to dot up Ifrit when he turns around to do howls, as he does nothing to the tank then. Ruin 2 also helps because he can be blinded and thus he can miss an Incinerate. I am sure you know most of this if not all, so I am just pretty much typing this out of boredom at work.

    Thanks to yourself too, maybe I'll see you on Phoenix later. :P
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    Last edited by Tranquil; 03-14-2014 at 06:38 PM. Reason: char limit FTW

  2. #82
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    Dijana's Avatar
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    Dijana Menatas
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    Zurvan
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Hello! Im back again, and I made some minor updates to the guide. I will probably review and update it a bit again tomorrow, Im rather tired right now, also added an opening that this is primarily a beginner's guide now.
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  3. #83
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    giantslayer's Avatar
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    Colette Pascal
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    Brynhildr
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    I have a suggestion for your macro section. I have found it very helpful to create macros for all my enemy targeting abilities (attacks, virus, bane, etc) to do target or target's target. That way, you can keep the tank targeted and have your attacks hit whoever he is hitting without having to switch targets, and you can also target enemies normally. It's a great setup for beginners.

    Example:
    /macroicon "Ruin"
    /ac "Ruin" <t>
    /ac "Ruin" <tt>

    Unfortunately, similar macros do not work as intended for healing. If you are on console like me, you gotta target your healing the old fashioned way. For PC, there are mouse over macros that sound very useful.
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  4. #84
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    Licinius Crassus
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    Ultros
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by giantslayer View Post
    I have a suggestion for your macro section. I have found it very helpful to create macros for all my enemy targeting abilities (attacks, virus, bane, etc) to do target or target's target. That way, you can keep the tank targeted and have your attacks hit whoever he is hitting without having to switch targets, and you can also target enemies normally. It's a great setup for beginners.

    Example:
    /macroicon "Ruin"
    /ac "Ruin" <t>
    /ac "Ruin" <tt>

    Unfortunately, similar macros do not work as intended for healing. If you are on console like me, you gotta target your healing the old fashioned way. For PC, there are mouse over macros that sound very useful.
    I'm tinkering with adding embrace onto my dps macros like this one to fill in any gaps while casting. You could always prompt another macro with embrace attached while charging a dot, but it seems to work so far.
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  5. #85
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    Dijana Menatas
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    Zurvan
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by giantslayer View Post
    I have a suggestion for your macro section. I have found it very helpful to create macros for all my enemy targeting abilities (attacks, virus, bane, etc) to do target or target's target. That way, you can keep the tank targeted and have your attacks hit whoever he is hitting without having to switch targets, and you can also target enemies normally. It's a great setup for beginners.

    Example:
    /macroicon "Ruin"
    /ac "Ruin" <t>
    /ac "Ruin" <tt>

    Unfortunately, similar macros do not work as intended for healing. If you are on console like me, you gotta target your healing the old fashioned way. For PC, there are mouse over macros that sound very useful.
    I'm not console but I do use a gamepad so I know what you mean. I never had targetting issues but I'll include this since I imagine it will still be useful for a lot of people.
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  6. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plainview View Post
    I'm tinkering with adding embrace onto my dps macros like this one to fill in any gaps while casting. You could always prompt another macro with embrace attached while charging a dot, but it seems to work so far.
    I personally prefer to have a separate macro for embrace, but keying embrace to everything is fairly popular. If you do it, know that it will not queue up embrace. If the 3 second cool down is not up, then embrace will not go off. To create a ghetto way of queuing, I put a couple more casts with 1 second waits on my embrace macro, so that part of the macro would look like:

    /pac "Embrace"
    /wait
    /pac "Embrace"
    /wait
    /pac "Embrace"
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  7. #87
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    Dijana's Avatar
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    Dijana Menatas
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    Zurvan
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    That is a good tip giantslayer, I'll add it in.

    I've also updated the OP with a little personal information just because it only took a few hours for someone to ignore the 'beginner's' part of this guide
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  8. #88
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    Licinius Crassus
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    Ultros
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by giantslayer View Post
    I personally prefer to have a separate macro for embrace, but keying embrace to everything is fairly popular. If you do it, know that it will not queue up embrace. If the 3 second cool down is not up, then embrace will not go off. To create a ghetto way of queuing, I put a couple more casts with 1 second waits on my embrace macro, so that part of the macro would look like:

    /pac "Embrace"
    /wait
    /pac "Embrace"
    /wait
    /pac "Embrace"
    I actually noticed this very thing. I'm still leveling SCH in 40's, so I wasn't sure if this was useful or not. Thanks for the tip.
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  9. #89
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Question for OP:

    Some recent theorycrafting data (not on this forum, obviously) suggests that Selene's buffs only give the party about a 1.8~2.0% DPS boost. That's with perfect buff uptime, which having Selene on Obey is going to be hard to do.

    Others will claim anywhere from a 3% to 8% dps boost, but I haven't seen such claims backed by any data.

    With a DPS boost of <= 2.0%... Do you still think Selene is worth it endgame, particularly giving up the ability to manually cast/precast embrace?
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  10. #90
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    I use Embrace macros for Adlo and Physick (handy also because they double as simple Embrace hotkeys when you interrupt your own cast and want to split heal). However, I generally prefer the fairy to be independent while I DPS rather than being forced to heal a specific target, even if the tank is usually a safe bet. If I want to keep the tank topped off, I swap my target in the middle of DPS hard casts and force Embraces with my single-target heal macros.
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