Wherefore art thou Circle of Scorn

[Alkimi]

Just be careful when you use it in Turn 7. I'm sure 90% of tanks know what I'm talking about and have done this at least once lol.

[Immut]

It's a good ability whether your choose to use it or not.

What. Sigh...It's not about how good it is for damage (which is still negligible to the point where a few stray crits could make up the difference), it's about its role in the gameplay of the class. It could do literally one damage and it would be better to use it than not use it. It doesn't matter how much it boosts your damage numbers when it doesn't fit the class. There is no strategy to using it. There's no good time to use it and there's no bad time to use it, you just use it when it's up because it doesn't synergize with any other skill. You can't use it intelligently or in any sort of strategy. That's why I say it exists in a vacuum. It's just THERE for no real reason at all, and it doesn't make the class any more engaging for being there.


And no, I actually get extremely irritated with "push button do damage" abilities like this. Every other off gcd damage ability in the game has some kind of utility or synergy with other skills. Even most of the gcd abilities do.

Look, just ask yourself this: Why is it a DoT? What justification is there for giving it a damage over time effect that can not be sustained? Why isn't all the damage dealt at once when it has a 25s cooldown anyway? Why does this ability not make ANY FREAKING SENSE?

[Giantbane]

What. Sigh...It's not about how good it is for damage (which is still negligible to the point where a few stray crits could make up the difference), it's about its role in the gameplay of the class. It could do literally one damage and it would be better to use it than not use it. It doesn't matter how much it boosts your damage numbers when it doesn't fit the class. There is no strategy to using it. There's no good time to use it and there's no bad time to use it, you just use it when it's up because it doesn't synergize with any other skill. You can't use it intelligently or in any sort of strategy. That's why I say it exists in a vacuum. It's just THERE for no real reason at all, and it doesn't make the class any more engaging for being there.


And no, I actually get extremely irritated with "push button do damage" abilities like this. Every other off gcd damage ability in the game has some kind of utility or synergy with other skills. Even most of the gcd abilities do.

Look, just ask yourself this: Why is it a DoT? What justification is there for giving it a damage over time effect that can not be sustained? Why isn't all the damage dealt at once when it has a 25s cooldown anyway? Why does this ability not make ANY FREAKING SENSE?

The DPS provided by using CoS is like adding 15-20% to your crit rate. That's more than a "few stray crits". Sometimes abilities are just for damage and nothing more (see jump or howling fist). It's one extra button to hit every once in a while so that you don't fall asleep while playing PLD.

On the list of things that could be improved about the PLD, CoS is pretty low on the list.

And until they rework the PLD class, it's still very much worth using unless you just like nerfing your own damage.

[AlexPayne]

An attack that hits and damages all enemies in a zone, and does DoT on top of it, is progress toward emptying the HP bar of those enemies. Which means they die faster. Which means they have less time to be beating on you and the rest of the party. Which reduces the damage done to your party. Which is the purpose of a tank.

So I don't see the problem with it being there.

[Immut]

The DPS provided by using CoS is like adding 15-20% to your crit rate. That's more than a "few stray crits". Sometimes abilities are just for damage and nothing more (see jump or howling fist). It's one extra button to hit every once in a while so that you don't fall asleep while playing PLD.

On the list of things that could be improved about the PLD, CoS is pretty low on the list.

And until they rework the PLD class, it's still very much worth using unless you just like nerfing your own damage.

Jump is supported by Power Surge, and it can be used as a long range attack. Howling Fist is part of monk's perfect balance/rockbreaker combo, and together they allow monks to briefly bolster their normally weak AOE damage. Plus it can ALSO be used as a long range attack. They both have a niche that makes sense for the class. The difference is PLD doesn't have any AOE damage for CoS to bolster, and its hate effect is negligible.

I'd say CoS is at the very TOP of the list of things that need to be improved about Paladin. They will never have appreciable AOE damage, and the single target damage boost CoS provides could be easily made up for by a change to their base stats with zero effect on gameplay, except now you don't have to hit a button every 25 seconds and maybe you get an interesting and fun tool in exchange.

[Kuwagami]

Jump is supported by Power Surge, and it can be used as a long range attack.

CoS is supported by FoF and allows to do something else while the ticks go on (levi Ex as an example). Stop using irrelevant examples trying to prove that YOU don't like how paladin is made please. CoS IS a good ability and is perfectly relevant. If you can't see it, don't use it ? Not the first ability people won't use because they fail to see the use.

[Hybris-Maenad]

Perfect example of the class and skill that Exodus server exudes.

Thank god i can blacklist this guy by reading his comments here instead of having to learn in the game firsthand.

Everyone's job in this game is to kill stuff. If you don't see how a few thousand damage over the course of a fight can help your team you are a complete fool.

[Immut]

Perfect example of the class and skill that Exodus server exudes.

Thank god i can blacklist this guy by reading his comments here instead of having to learn in the game firsthand.

Everyone's job in this game is to kill stuff. If you don't see how a few thousand damage over the course of a fight can help your team you are a complete fool.

Never heard of you and I'm glad for it. Because you clearly don't understand what's being discussed here. Not that that's an uncommon problem, it seems.

You would have to be a complete moron not to use circle of scorn. It's free damage. The problem is the fact that it IS free. It doesn't require any thought at all, and that is bad game design.

[Hybris-Maenad]

Clearly I don't understand what you're discussing. It's a free off-GCD aoe dot. It's your ONLY aoe attack whatsoever. You lost me at "It's not a tanks job to do damage". It's everyones job to do damage. Only horrible tanks and healers don't contribute to damage when it is whithin their means to do so while covering their main roles.

The problem is the fact that it IS free. It doesn't require any thought at all, and that is bad game design.

You have to elaborate on that. how is it bad game design?

[monkeytheman]

The troll is starting to get full guys, time to stop force feeding it.